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Social Apocalypse · 10-31-2009

Hey Slim... that's a very good observation. It makes me feel pretty icky. It also makes me wonder for the millionth time: "Is ANYONE thinking about what all of this MIGHT mean?" My God, it seems pretty plain. We have WATCHED as the heretofore "impossible eventualities" have come to pass before our eyes, yet we still, as a flock of chickens, wait for the final kill even as we see the fox walking purposefully toward us, and do NOTHING. By "WE" I am referring to the collective US Population/Government/Media.

I am beginning to feel like cashing in my cash for GOLD is not such a radical idea. There is strong talk of the US Dollar actually disappearing in favor of a new world currency. A couple of years ago, I would have said that this was the talk of radical extremist doomsayers. Now I AM SAYING IT.

I bet God has temp workers up there taking prayers for him, they must be coming in torrents, and if not, they ought to be.

This is not a phase folks. It's really not. THE BANKS ARE FAILING. Pull out your 8th grade history lesson about what that means. It's not good news.

caldwell02 · 10-31-2009

Hey do you realaly think the banks are being coerced by the government not to help us? Doubt it very much. It is the banks who are in the drivers seat.

Social Apocalypse · 10-31-2009

I don't think the government is coercing the banks not to help homeowners. I think they really are insulated enough from reality by their belief that the banks are adhering to their rules... They are always the last ones to find out that people aren't doing what they told them to do... that's why we have so much tax fraud and evasion. But EVENTUALLY they catch on and "fix it" but by then, the fraudsters have moved on to bigger and better schemes.

I worry that in this particular case, we don't have the time to wait for them to figure it out. We know that the HAMP program doesn't work... and look how long it has taken them to figure that out? Meanwhile the banks are doing what they do best... scheming, strategizing, CAPITALIZING. Some people (me too) are theorizing that they are stalling on the HAMPS while they try and repair all of the lost notes... That's what I think.

Moe Bedard · 10-31-2009

Slim,

I know you are a Veteran and a person who has risked his life for our great country. I have tremendous amount of respect for you and your family. It is also great to see you opening your mind to some hidden truths about our country. It is nice to see that your service in the battlefield has not closed off your mind to some of the injustices that happen on our shores as well as on foreign lands.

To be honest, you, me, your children, my children and their children have been pledged as collateral by our government to the banks since 1933 when our county went bankrupt under FDR.

U.S. BANKRUPTCY, Emergency Powers, the 14th Amendment, Citizens as debt collateral!

This article pieces it all together better than anything else I've seen.

Excerpt:

"Through paying interest to the Federal Reserve Corporation in gold, the US Treasury became progressively depleted of its gold. America’s gold certificates, coin, and bullion were continually shipped off to the coffers of various European Banks and Power Elite. In 1933, when the Treasury was drained and the debt was larger than ever (a financial condition known as “insolvency”), Franklin Roosevelt proclaimed the bankruptcy of the United States. Every 14th-Amendment “citizen of the United States” [everything was already set up!] was pledged as an asset to finance the Chapter 11 re-organization expenses and pay interest in perpetuity to the creditors (i.e. the Federal Reserve Bankers) on the “national debt” (“which shall not be questioned”).

With the Government’s bankruptcy, “law” became “public policy”, i.e. Federal Reserve Reinsurance policy. Now operating exclusively within the jurisdiction of corporate limited-liability insurance, the Federal Reserve switched its requirements 180° and foreclosed the possibility to pay interest in gold, requiring payments on the debt and reorganization to be made with FRNs. Ownership of gold by the bankrupted, conquered citizens, made into the enemy by the Amendatory Act of March 9, 1933, was made “illegal” by Franklin Roosevelt’s Gold Proclamation (The Decree). Thereafter, the Bankers set about confiscating as much of the private gold as possible, gold that hadn’t already been shipped to the European Federal Reserve Banks as interest payments on the FRNs printed into circulation. After 1933, FRNs became increasingly unbacked, until Richard Nixon closed the silver window and removed the final vestige of backing in 1968.

Also, we don't hold the actual title to much of our land here in America. Even when you own a home and it is paid off, you don't truly own it 100%. There is still one entity above you who actually owns America and that is now the, UK, Royal Crown aka (Brittan)

Who is the one entity who can come take your home if you own it free and clear? The IRS! This is the agency that collects on the national debt through the American citizens for the Royal Crown.

Why do you think you have a birth certificate and a social security number? That is how they track you to pay taxes and pay the debt down. When you sign up your kids for their birth certificate and social security card, you have just unknowingly pledged your kids as slaves to the US debt.

People just sign up for these and never question it because it is a tradition in our society. I ask everyone, 'Why do you need one and why do they have you do this?' and no one knows why

Many people do not realize that our government is the one who decides what American history we get to learn and what history they do not want us to learn because. They control our education and this allows our government to keep certain info from the people.

The facts are Slim and TB are that we the people are collateral for our national debt. Yes, China owns a lot of mortgages, but the big banks and some secret banks own the loans and money that our government has borrowed from.

However, I believe we are under secret rule by the Royal Crown.

This means that the Crown family and banks have more of a say in how our economy runs and how they can collect on debt. They operate in the shadows of the the Federal Reserve. That is who is running our country.

Now does everything make sense on how they can get Trillion dollar bail outs and foreclose on anyone they choose?

Now does it make sens why they seem above the law?

Doesn't it seem like these are the same bankers at Obamas side in the White House?

THEY HAVE TO WATCH AND COLLECT ON THEIR MONEY FOLKS!

Slim and TB, NOW you know why the people (Main Street, Us) DO NOT have say in how Washington is run. We are nothing but collateral without a voice until this debt is paid and title to our land turned over to the American people.

China is the slave empire to the US and soon the world. However, the Chinese are smart and use that same money to buy our commodities and investments. I believe they are doing this because they know the dollar will be gone soon and they need to divest from the dollar.

jewls · 10-31-2009

Do the banks run the world? Or are they really just broke?

As of September 30, 2009, the nine banks involved in today’s transaction are: Bank USA, National Association, Phoenix, Arizona; California National Bank, Los Angeles, California; San Diego National Bank, San Diego, California; Pacific National Bank, San Francisco, California; Park National Bank, Chicago, Illinois; Community Bank of Lemont, Lemont, Illinois; North Houston Bank, Houston, Texas; Madisonville State Bank, Madisonville, Texas; and Citizens National Bank, Teague, Texas.

FDIC: Failed Bank List

ohhhdear · 10-31-2009

This is so scary, but we need to wake up ---- however, it may be too late.

I have a question---

Why aren't we investigating the Federal Reserve?

AZOwner · 10-31-2009

I will counter your question with a very obvious question:

Why haven't the American People risen up and demanded this mortgage crisis be resolved?

Why haven't we sliced and diced every bank that is "Too Big To Fail"?

1. The banks own everyone of power and influence in our country. Next election, cycle every politician and judge out of office, unless they demonstrate they are committed to doing the right thing for the American Public
2. The Middle Class is too scared to move. They are initimidated by the guards at the gate and afriad of losing their individual lives -- instead of rushing them and allowing those that live to LIVE.

We have to trust the government and our banks? We HAVE to play by their rules? If this isn't a cram down and initimidation of the Middle Class in the United States of America, and if it is not recognized as such, we are soooo doomed to repeat history.

Moe Bedard · 10-31-2009

Originally Posted by ohhhdear

This is so scary, but we need to wake up ---- however, it may be too late.

I have a question---

Why aren't we investigating the Federal Reserve?

Many have tried my friend.

This video is the result of these attempts by some very great people who now are not with us. Their lives "mysteriously" cut short.

[YOUTUBE]RaH-lGafwtE[/YOUTUBE]

Kennedy did more for civil rights than any other president since Abraham Lincoln. Kennedy was a big supporter of the constitution, he was against the tyranny of big government. He wanted to withdraw US troops from Vietnam.

He wanted to abolish the CIA and Federal Reserve, and he warned us of criminal elements within the establishment who wanted to cease an opportunity to restrict peoples freedoms.

He urged the press to be more open and to fulfill its obligation to inform the American people about pertinent facts.

ohhhdear · 10-31-2009

I think alot (certainly not enough) of people are rising up and demanding the mortgage crisis to be resolved.

People here on this forum could sign the petition--- hint, hint for those who are reading this and haven't signed. It only takes a minute.

AZ--- I can think of two problems, basically it's one problem and that is the MEDIA!

The other problem I see is from reading some of the comments made by very ignorant people, when they reply to various newspaper articles.

Some of these folks assume that when the banks were bailed out--so were the homeowners!

As a recent example-- someone posts things like : "Honk if I pay your mortgage"! Geesh--- people like this don't know what is going on and then there are others criticizing us for allegedly buying homes we couldn't afford----------- I guess they think the homeowners had some type of crystal ball that we should have been able to foresee the downturn of the housing industry and the Depression, which they call the Recession!

They are ignorant because the MEDIA doesn't tell the whole truth!
I'm talking BOTH sides of the media --the left and the right!

Thank God for the SOCIAL media! And thank God for Moe for bringing us all together!

ohhhdear · 10-31-2009

Originally Posted by Moe Bedard

Many have tried my friend.

This video is the result of these attempts by some very great people who now are not with us. Their lives "mysteriously" cut short.

[YOUTUBE]RaH-lGafwtE[/YOUTUBE]

Kennedy did more for civil rights than any other president since Abraham Lincoln. Kennedy was a big supporter of the constitution, he was against the tyranny of big government. He wanted to withdraw US troops from Vietnam.

He wanted to abolish the CIA and Federal Reserve, and he warned us of criminal elements within the establishment who wanted to cease an opportunity to restrict peoples freedoms.

He urged the press to be more open and to fulfill its obligation to inform the American people about pertinent facts.

I was typing a response to AZ probably at the same time you were typing this.

Are you saying what I think you are saying?????????????
OMG! Whoaaaaaaaa!

Moe, can you give me the link to that youtube?
My youtube won't work on here? Something happened to my computer--it's giving me an error--it says:
ERROR: If you can see this, then YouTube is down or you don't have Flash installed.

caldwell02 · 10-31-2009

WOW. Google? How can a company be a part of this group? OMG. It was all intense, but tha hit me where it hurts because so many of us are relying on google.

How safe is you tube? Who owns you tube?

caldwell02 · 10-31-2009

I couldn't get the youtube video using google.

I could when going to ask.com.

I am taking google off of my computer and never "googling" again.

Social Apocalypse · 10-31-2009

The worst thing you could do is to take Google off of your computer, plus it's not "on" your computer anyway, it's ONLINE

The media is "FOX NEWS" and "CBS". They have well known political agendas.

caldwell02 · 10-31-2009

TB I don't understand how taking google off is the worst thing I can do. What I do know is that I saw that "google" was a member of one of the clubs mentioned in the video and that I could not access bohemian grove via google. Of course it's online. But I had a google toolbar. I had google all over the place on my computer. One small step for womankind........

I am pretty much aware of the other culprits you mentioned, but thanks for the advice.

caldwell02 · 10-31-2009

As of October 10, google owns youtube

Moe Bedard · 10-31-2009

Here you go. YouTube - The President Who Told The TRUTH

Well, this video was not mine and was from a poster on YouTube. He eloquently spliced together some great raw footage to make this theory more than stand on two feet.

In reference to Google, they are a search engine and media company also. Google does own You Tube and these videos are not being censored. They control 80% of the searches. But Caldwell, where did you find me and where did I find 100% of my info? That's right, Google!

With that said, I can never, ever place Google in the same categories as Fox News and other corporate controlled media. Google is more citizen controlled media. They are a direct competitor to Fox and a CNBC etc. They have much more power, but that power is in the free speech of the people of the world. If they silence the people, their business model is shot.

The one thing that does bug me is that they are a member of the Council or Foreign Relations. However, I do not think this group is really secret or evil. Just the worlds elite sharing ideas.

Google has given me a new life to learn and earn a living. I can speak my mind and I get a check monthly sent to my home by Google. They are key to our future and this will be discussed in my online training later.

The think I would be more concerned about is the power of the International Bankers and the Federal Reserve. Many good people who have mysteriously died standing up to them and it is as plain as day and night that something is seriously wrong here in the US.

The list of deaths of people who openly discussed these secret societies and the federal reserve is disturbing.

Lincoln, John Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, Martin Luther King, John Lennon, Princes Diana, Tupac Shakur, and????????

caldwell02 · 10-31-2009

ahhh I needed that. thanks moe.

That said, everyone of those people except Lincoln (duh) that you have just mentioned were killed in my lifetime. Every one. I remember where I was. Even Tupac (my kids were really into him and so was I).

Slim Shavings · 10-31-2009

Here is some fuel for the fire. Why are we not pumping oil and developing our gas reserves. Is it really Climate Change. Or has it something to also do to collateral.
Why are more and more States LEASING the rights to our interstate highways,bridges and so on to foreign companies
how much Acreage does the government own in National Parks, Reserves. How much more has it grabbed and sequestered for so called environmental reasons.

Have any of us payed attention to government land grabs and control over land in the last 30-40 years.
Face It
Just our true national debt is over 100 trillion dollars. There is only a little over 800 billion in real gold out there. Thats why we went off the golc standard.
SO what collateral is left to get people to buy our play money

Thats right.
Please remove yourself in 30 days as certain wealthy ,government connected Chinese family would like to move in. Gotta do something with 6 billion people. Problem is the regular Chinese people are getting ****ed in right along wit the rest. A big push is on in China for more consumer spending.

Health Care
Swine flue
Climate Change
Environmentalism
SO called Economic failure

All monkeys doing the dance in front in order to keep our eyes off the real behind the scenes controller

amypin · 02-07-2010

Originally Posted by Social Apocalypse

I don't think the government is coercing the banks not to help homeowners. I think they really are insulated enough from reality by their belief that the banks are adhering to their rules... They are always the last ones to find out that people aren't doing what they told them to do... that's why we have so much tax fraud and evasion. But EVENTUALLY they catch on and "fix it" but by then, the fraudsters have moved on to bigger and better schemes.

I worry that in this particular case, we don't have the time to wait for them to figure it out. We know that the HAMP program doesn't work... and look how long it has taken them to figure that out? Meanwhile the banks are doing what they do best... scheming, strategizing, CAPITALIZING. Some people (me too) are theorizing that they are stalling on the HAMPS while they try and repair all of the lost notes... That's what I think.

i believe that this is all prepaired and very thought out, planned. i dont know if you guys see it the way i do but the they really dont want to fix the economy . if the government wanted to fix the economy they would have placed a freeze on the mortgage interest rates . in other words no interest for five years. people all over the country would have benefitted the rich and the poor. just pay for the principal of the balance. this would have had people stay in their homes and not have to lose their homes because of the high payments and at the same time the banks wouldnot have lost any money because they would still be getting back what they loaned of course minus the interest for the next five years . talk about a boost in the economy people would be fixing up their homes and buying at the same time the houses and neighborhoods wouldn't have lost so much value.but they dont intend to fix it there is a scheme of the elite that believe in a one world order and they my friend are setting up america to fail

Moe Bedard · 02-08-2010

Yes, it was planned. Our economy is scientifically created and managed. Booms and busts are part of that process that must happen in order to purge the economy of bad debt or weak market players.

Now, the goal is to get to the bottom as fast as possible in order to get to the recovery as soon as possible. But, we have 5 -7 years to get there.

davephx · 02-08-2010

Originally Posted by amypin

if the government wanted to fix the economy they would have placed a freeze on the mortgage interest rates . in other words no interest for five years

You want the government to void private contract law? That is what they would do in China, not in the U.S.