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DEATH BY GOVERNMENT: GENOCIDE AND MASS MURDER

DEATH BY GOVERNMENT: GENOCIDE AND MASS MURDER
All told, governments killed more than 262 million people in the 20th century outside of wars, according to University of Hawaii political science professor R.J. Rummel. Just to give perspective on this incredible murder by government, if all these bodies were laid head to toe, with the average height being 5', then they would circle the earth ten times. Also, this democide murdered 6 times more people than died in combat in all the foreign and internal wars of the century. Finally, given popular estimates of the dead in a major nuclear war, this total democide is as though such a war did occur, but with its dead spread over a century

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Sunday, May 15, 2011

Geithner the rat, Predicts Double-Dip if Congress Fails to Lift Debt Ceiling.Somebody should do something about this PARISITE ! Some of the producers here are wondering to themselves were is the Stimulus Money. Go with your gut feeling people....It was stolen. It was stolen by the likes of Geithner, his croneis, and those within the government in whom we trusted.


Updated: May 14, 2011 | 3:38 p.m.
May 14, 2011 | 1:57 p.m.

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“A default would inflict catastrophic far-reaching damage on our nation’s economy, significantly reducing growth and increasing unemployment,” Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner said in a letter.

Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner said if Congress fails to lift the debt ceiling and the U.S. defaults on its obligations “this abrupt contraction would likely push us into a double dip recession,” painting the most explicitly dire prediction to date of the consequences of inaction.
In a heavily-anticipated response to Sen. Michael Bennet, D-Colo., who asked Geithner to document the economic and fiscal impacts of failing to lift the statutory debt limit, the Treasury secretary detailed a chain reaction that would cripple the economy, costing jobs and income.
“A default would inflict catastrophic far-reaching damage on our nation’s economy, significantly reducing growth and increasing unemployment,” said Geithner in the letter to Bennet which was dated May 13. “Even a short-term default could cause irrevocable damage to the economy."
Geithner has imposed an August deadline for Congress to lift the $14.3 trillion debt ceiling, but lawmakers are still negotiating over Republican demands to tie the move to spending cuts. And a portion of the GOP still remains skeptical about the need to act by the deadline at all, arguing that the consequences have been overstates.
In the letter Geithner walked through the doomsday scenario he has been describing on the Hill. Default would cast doubt on the full faith and credit of the U.S., which would scare away investors and enable those remaining to demand higher interest rates on Treasury securities, which would have far-reaching negative ramifications. Increased borrowing costs would extend to families, businesses, and local governments, he said.
Because Treasury securities set the benchmark interest rate for a variety of consumer credit products, an increase in interest rates could drive up the cost on everything from mortgages to car loans and business loans.
A default on our obligations would also sap household wealth, threatening retirement savings; what's more, it could cut off Medicare and Social Security payments and cause another financial crisis, the letter said.
“A default on Treasury debt could lead to concerns about the solvency of the investment and financial institutions that hold Treasury securities in their portfolios, which could cause a run on money market mutual funds and the broader financial system,” Geithner said in the letter.
Ultimately he said the biggest threat would be a crisis of confidence in the United States. Confidence in the America’s ability to meet its obligations creates demand for Treasury securities in the first place, which lowers the borrowing costs for the government and in turn consumers. It has made investments in Treasury securities a safe haven for investors in times of panic.
“A default would call into question the status of Treasury securities as a cornerstone of the financial system, potentially squandering this unique role and the economic benefits that come with it,” Geithner said.
MidwestJim 0 minutes ago

We are facing much worse than a double dip recession if Obama  is re-elected.

Who is John Galt?


  • Geitner.  “this abrupt contraction would likely push us into a double dip recession,”

    This is a foolish comment from an individual who has proven over and over to be not up to the task.

    If we could put a ceiling on our debt and 'only' suffer the consequence of a recession then we should jump at the chance.  Unfortunately the result of not raising the ceiling would be far worse than a recession.  The consequence of raising the ceiling while not reining in foolish spending will  lead to a far worse result.

    The key to thinking this through is to look at ways to reduce spending and divert spending to venues that lead to an increase in productivity.  We cannot worry about whose ox is being gored.  No more money to failing institutions.  We do not need Fanny or Freddy in their current form.  The implied guarantee of their bonds has turned out to be a blank check and they have abused the trust given them buy writing mortgages that could be forseeably doomed to fail.  Let all those employees move to more productive jobs.   The housing industry will crash.  It will recover after all of the excess inventory is occupied and families build up their savings.

     Defund NASA, it is like most government programs, bloated and inefficient.  Stop wasting time and money on the United Nations, it is not our game.  Bring the troops home.  If the Mideast is important, it is most important to Europe.  Let them deal with it.

    Our military needs to be reorganized.   I have been there, I know.  There is much waste in the military.  I am not insisting that we need to cut combat power.  I am insisting that we can maintain or increase combat power for less than we are spending now.

     Defund the military industrial complex.  If they have value as innovators, those minds will go to work in the private sector and quickly help solve our pressing problem of energy independence.  We should take a page from the Israelis, the Chinese, the Russians.  Much of their military advancement comes from espionage, against us.  It is much cheaper and more effective to steal a design and build three times as many units that perform at 2/3 the effectivity of the original.  In the case of the Israelis, their ripoffs are usually improvements on the original.

    Don't like these ideas.  Fine but if we don't come to terms with the reality that our government is on an unsustainable path, the problems will be solved for us.  The results will be much uglier than what I suggested above.  Economic defeat ends with facism.

    Ever increasing government obligation, debt, without real increased productivity is worse than irresponsible, it is foolish and unpatriotic.  This is so obvious that it leads me to wonder at the motives of those Democrats and Republicans who are willing to kick the can down the road.







  • He has no credibility. Has cried wolf too many times. If he doesn't get his way, ultimate results always very dire. Dire, indeed.







  • James Angleton 8 minutes ago
    The world according to Tim: "The choice is clear, depression or bankruptcy."

    Pick your poison.







  • Wbwittmeyer 11 minutes ago
    And what gives this man any credibility?  Asia debt crisis  wrong,  Tarp results wrong, economic growth forecast wrong, unemployment forecast wrong,







  • Arnold Ziffel 12 minutes ago
    We're already beyond a doubl-dip recession if one does not play semantic games as Geithner does. Look up John Williams Shadow Stats if you want to see the truth. Unemployment is around 22%, housing is in worse shape than during the Great Depression, and there is no improvement ahead. The government has a habit of changing formulas and moving the goal posts to suit its spin on reality and allow for more kicking the can down the road to economic collapse. Failure to prosecute those big bank execs who destroyed the world economy has shown the world the US is not serious about getting its house in order. Just look at what Geithner is proposing. It will be our death knell.







  • Ah, goal posts. Remember when the Department of Commerce switched from GNP to GDP in 1991?









  • "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit
    is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government
    can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing
    financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s
    reckless fiscal policies. … Increasing America’s debt weakens us
    domestically and internationally. Leadership means that “the buck stops
    here.” Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today
    onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt
    problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. I
    therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt limit."

    -Senator Barack Obama







  • betspotter 15 minutes ago
    He hasn't been right on anything so far...boy wonder!  If you raise the debt ceiling every time, you have effectively defeated its purpose, which is to force the Congress to stop spending.  We're bankrupt right now.  The people who purport to 'lead' us are lost.  Time for us to wise and kick the spenders to the curb.  The answer is not taxes, the answer is massive cuts in all agencies and entitlements.  Reality smacks hard.







  • I suppose Geithner's "warning" would make sense if it were actually the case that not raising the Debt Ceiling actually equated to default. As it is, this is not the case. Geithner, like most others in this administration, is simply dishonest.

    If he's truly as concerned as he indicates, then I guess he'd better get to work on reducing the spending in order to cut a deal on the ceiling......sorry little Timmy, you can't have it both ways.







  • If we raise the limit we are screwed.  If we don't raise the limit we are screwed.  I see a problem here.







  • oldman1944 25 minutes ago
    If no TARP monies, then financial disaster for the country!  If no "stimulus monies", then economic disaster for the country!  Everything is an emergency.  Stop crying wolf, tell the truth, eliminate spending on those things the country does not need, close tax loopholes for all - both corporations and individuals - then see where we are in a year.  Don't accept as true what any official in this administration is saying.







  • Better a double dip now than a crash later.







  • Can you have confidence into the judgements of thie Gentleman?







  • lets OUTSOURCE the FED and Congress.







  • This government is outsourced already...it's called George Soros, the unions, and the Chinese.







  • All this idiot would have to do is talk to an economic professor about the debt ceiling. It does not allow default on loans. All it would do is make these thieves in the government only spend what they have coming in...no new debt from China or Japan to fall back on. I guess Turbotax Tim wasn't there that day when the Cato Institute and the Heritage Foundation explained this. Hurry up 2012!







  • Bingo. The argument as put forth by the bureaucracies, almost every news broadcast about the subject, and frankly, both political parties for the most part,  is that not raising the debt ceiling equals automatic default.  It does no such thing as you pointed out. It simply means that Congress will finally have to make some grown up decisions. It can choose to not pay its obligations to creditors if it chooses, or it can choose to pay them appropriately first and then spend what is leftover.

    In short order however, we will see some grand pronunciations from Congress about how it is really tightening its belt with another massive 10 billion dollars in real cuts (about 2 days of borrowing) and then it will raise the  debt ceiling to allow itself to continue to borrow 188 million dollars per hour or more for the next year or so.

    This is not going to get fixed by supposed grand leadership from either party or from any political candidate. This is going to fix itself in time, because it has to, because it is simply unsustainable. I'm afraid is it not going to be pretty the way it eventually goes down.







  • Geithner couldn't even get his taxes right but he knows what will happen if the government can't go more into debt?  He should be in jail for tax evasion.







  • Manufactured crisis.  Our cash inflow is always enough in this country to make our debt payments.  They're simply fear mongering with defaults on the debt as they're unwilling to write iou's for regular wages/services.

    Much like a household you always makes cuts elsewhere before ruining your credit.  This is simply modern American politics both parties are to blame for the spending.







  • No one  really cares what Geithner thinks about anything.







  • I got news for you - there was never  a recovery, because if there was one, jobs would have rebound.  How can anyone with a straight face call it a recover with unemployment going up?  So what they are doing is a dirty tactic, of raising the debts ceiling and then declare - Ohh - you caused the double dip - you nasty conservatives. These people are absolutely shameless and beyond redemption.  I suggest as conservatives, when we get into power, maybe we should take a page out of Stalin's approach to these people in power.







  • gradstud25 43 minutes ago
    Right now people shouldn't be debating whether or not to print more dollars, but HOW TO SAVE THE DOLLAR. The only way to restore confidence is to cut the spending in D.C., suffer in the short-term, get government less involved with business, and let the market rebound on it's own. Businesses constantly concerned about the latest government move, are those which are more hesitant to hire. Give them some freedom, some cheaper energy sources (non-foreign) and maybe in 10-15 years things will start to improve in terms of jobs.  The current madness has no end other than hyper-inflation, and that is much more difficult to recover from. People should have given up on a short-term recession-and recovery like a year ago, at least. Difficult problems such as those we are facing don't change in a couple of years. No the president's starting to say that, but he's just playing the game for re-election. He should have said that from the beginning and cleaned house with the bankers. Instead he and his cronies sold out to them. Thanks for making things worse!







  • I think we should nationalize The Fed and see how they like the socialism they've been financing.







  • Some of the producers here are wondering to themselves were is the Stimulus Money.  Go with your gut feeling people....It was stolen. It was stolen by the likes of Geithner, his croneis, and those within the government in whom we trusted.
    That bond of trust is broken and separated from the government, and Wall Street. We work and work  and still cannot get ahead without laying prostrate before the banking institutions and beg for a loan.
    We shouldn't have to beg. We should be able to make enough, but we can't. That's fine let them have their day because people we're going to have ours and we're going rise up, and show the Globalists and their bankers who really is going to run things from then on.







  • Is it 2012 yet?







  • Susystin 58 minutes ago
    Only because you will make it so Geithner.







  • psadie 1 hour ago
    This is NOT TRUE.  Look at this conservative website:  http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=13098.







  • Rsr_143 1 hour ago
    Remember, Geithner is the same liar who said Bus's tax cuts for the rich caused the recession, and that Obgama's very same tax cuts for the rich would prevent a double dip recession.


    Liberals, without lying, Is there anything that Extremist  Obama and Co. have NOT lied about?

    Anything?


    Anyone?








  • Politics, pure and simple. Set up a scenario, so that Republicans will be made the fall guys for the  Double Dip Recession we are currently in. Just love it when the Dims project their failures on the Republicans.







  • Mahasukha 1 hour ago
    NO raising of the debt ceiling!  Default is always raised as a scare tactic and let's say that it's a legitimate argument.  Do we want to default at $14.3 trillion or $17 trillion?  Or, perhaps, $20 trillion?  Geithner and Bernanke are criminals and must be stopped now!!!







  • Gringo 1 hour ago
    Bennet is just as much of a dork as tax cheat timmie himself.  I bet they are yucking it up right now.







  • Gringo 1 hour ago
    Yeah, and the sea level will rise, we will all break out in hives and our asses will spontaneously combust.  Gimme a break , tax cheat timmy.







  • It's so easy to spend when it's not your money.







  • It's already a double dip.  It doesn't matter if they raise the dept ceiling or not, it is going to nothing by get worse economically.  They just don't want to take the political blame for their actions, so they shift the focus to raising the debt ceiling instead of the ridiculous waste and spending.  The more they delay the worse it will be.  The best thing to do is prepare yourself with a few extra's at home.







  • You know if, "Little Big Man," Geithner and the rest of his buddies in government and Wall Street would pay their taxes we more in likely would be so deep in this problem. To invoke the worlds of Leona Helmsley, "Only the little people pay taxes."
    These guys have lost all credibility with the producing people of this Country. Geithner has cried Wolf so many times the producers don't even pay attention to his whining. To us he is just another schemer trying to get him and his buddies inside and outside the government more goodies at the expense of the producers.
    "Geithner you lost your credibility with me in the beginning.  Not paying your taxes, and when you were forced to, you got off scott free without no fines or interest. The producers of this Country are tired of sacrificing, you and your cronies try it for a change."







  • Bigfeets101 1 hour ago
    It's like a drunk trying to drink himself sober!!!!!







  • Bigfeets101 1 hour ago
    Timmy could care less about the economy!He is owned by the Global Banksters who want to turn us into their slaves.This sheep has wakened up to whats going on.The sad thing is it's been going on since 1913. This is probably our last chance to save this country.Vote Ron Paul 2012. You tube search "Earth 2008 a world of slaves" very enlightening it's worth your time







  • Mr. Geithner has been so wrong before and is simply parroting the liberal message again.  Many said that our economy would crumble when calendars rolled over to January 1, 2000.  NOTHING HAPPENED but huge amount of money was spent because of the FEAR factor.

    Our economic crisis was caused by out-of-control spending in Washington.  We have to put a lid on it NOW rather than continue playing this game of economic suicide.







  • scottarea5150 1 hour ago
    NOTHING  about job creation ,  NOTHING  about corp tax reduction, NOTHING BUT LET US KEEP SPENDING  SO I CAN KEEP MY MESSIAH OBAMMY HAPPY REGARDLESS OF HOW MUCH IT COSTS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE . WE WANT TO BUY ANOTHER 4 YRS .  HEY TAX CHEAT TIMMY  F.O. MIDGET!!





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