BALTIMORE (WJZ) — The Maryland Transit Administration says more training may be called for after three MTA officers detained a man for taking pictures at a light rail station.
Pat Warren has more on the incident.
According to the ACLU, this isn’t the first time MTA Police have overstepped their bounds.
In a YouTube posting, Christopher Fussell left the camera rolling when he was confronted by three MTA officers for taking pictures at the Baltimore Cultural Light Rail Station.
“It is my understanding that I am free to take pictures as long as it’s not for commercial purposes but for personal use,” Fussell said in the video.
“Not on state property, not without proper authorization,” an officer said.
Fussell: “From who?”
Officer: “Nobody’s allowed to take pictures.”
The MTA admits the officers were in error.
“They can most certainly take photos of our system,” Ralign Wells, the MTA Administrator, said.
In addition to being wrong about MTA and state policy, the officer incorrectly cites the Patriot Act.
“Listen, listen to what I’m saying. The Patriot Act says that critical infrastructure, trains, train stations, all those things require certain oversight to take pictures, whether you say they are for personal use or whatever, that’s your story,” the officer said.
“So why don’t you have any signs posted to say I cannot take pictures?” Fussell said.
“Our officers have become very sensitive post 9/11 and we’re trying to see that they understand our passengers and citizens also have a right to take pictures,” Wells said.
The officer eventually threatened to take Fussell into custody.
“Do you have Maryland state identification on you?” the officer asked.
“I am not committing a crime,” Fussell said.
“Sir, I’m going to ask you one last time, then I’m going to take you into custody. Do we understand each other?” the officer said.
The ACLU considers it harassment by the MTA.
“This is not South Africa under apartheid and in this country, police do not have the right to walk up to you and demand you produce identification to them,” said David Rocah, ACLU.
The MTA acknowledges that additional training is in order.
“We’ll look at our training processes, we’ll look at whether any administrative situations need to occur with those officers,” Wells said.
The ACLU says it’s been working with the MTA on this very issue for five years, with no satisfactory result.
Fussell was detained for more than 40 minutes before MTA Police finally let him go on his way.
Pat Warren has more on the incident.
According to the ACLU, this isn’t the first time MTA Police have overstepped their bounds.
In a YouTube posting, Christopher Fussell left the camera rolling when he was confronted by three MTA officers for taking pictures at the Baltimore Cultural Light Rail Station.
“It is my understanding that I am free to take pictures as long as it’s not for commercial purposes but for personal use,” Fussell said in the video.
“Not on state property, not without proper authorization,” an officer said.
Fussell: “From who?”
Officer: “Nobody’s allowed to take pictures.”
The MTA admits the officers were in error.
“They can most certainly take photos of our system,” Ralign Wells, the MTA Administrator, said.
In addition to being wrong about MTA and state policy, the officer incorrectly cites the Patriot Act.
“Listen, listen to what I’m saying. The Patriot Act says that critical infrastructure, trains, train stations, all those things require certain oversight to take pictures, whether you say they are for personal use or whatever, that’s your story,” the officer said.
“So why don’t you have any signs posted to say I cannot take pictures?” Fussell said.
“Our officers have become very sensitive post 9/11 and we’re trying to see that they understand our passengers and citizens also have a right to take pictures,” Wells said.
The officer eventually threatened to take Fussell into custody.
“Do you have Maryland state identification on you?” the officer asked.
“I am not committing a crime,” Fussell said.
“Sir, I’m going to ask you one last time, then I’m going to take you into custody. Do we understand each other?” the officer said.
The ACLU considers it harassment by the MTA.
“This is not South Africa under apartheid and in this country, police do not have the right to walk up to you and demand you produce identification to them,” said David Rocah, ACLU.
The MTA acknowledges that additional training is in order.
“We’ll look at our training processes, we’ll look at whether any administrative situations need to occur with those officers,” Wells said.
The ACLU says it’s been working with the MTA on this very issue for five years, with no satisfactory result.
Fussell was detained for more than 40 minutes before MTA Police finally let him go on his way.
223 Comments
Fanny Forbes Franklen
Watch the video. These mentally decrepit room temperature IQ bullies wouldn’t know what the word apology meant. Useless, mindless and welcome to ØmeriKa.
———————- http://911essentials.com
Watch the video. These mentally decrepit room temperature IQ bullies wouldn’t know what the word apology meant. Useless, mindless and welcome to ØmeriKa.
———————- http://911essentials.com
June 2, 2011 at 9:51 am | |
Joe American
What the f*** is an apology going to do???? Everyday American’s are now routinely treated as criminals. You idiots have allowed the “terrorists” to win. Apology? Get real…
What the f*** is an apology going to do???? Everyday American’s are now routinely treated as criminals. You idiots have allowed the “terrorists” to win. Apology? Get real…
June 2, 2011 at 10:10 am | |
marc
Americans don’t realize that the “terrorists” won on 9/12. Sad but true in every which way. Terrorism’s primary goal is to leverage fear to make a government/target turn on its own people in a reverse psychological trick.
It is essentially the same thing as you used to do with your friends; constantly tap the volatile guy on the shoulder in a way that he thinks it was someone else, until he lashes out and punches the unsuspecting party. Bravo America, Republicans, Bush Administration, Democrats, and the Obama Administration; you all played into the “terrorists” hands perfectly. You even exceeded their wildest expectation. You have turned America into such a surveillance state, even though most people don’t realize it because it happens behind the digital curtains, that you are treasonous and are the tyrants who’s blood will be spilled along side that of patriots.
Americans don’t realize that the “terrorists” won on 9/12. Sad but true in every which way. Terrorism’s primary goal is to leverage fear to make a government/target turn on its own people in a reverse psychological trick.
It is essentially the same thing as you used to do with your friends; constantly tap the volatile guy on the shoulder in a way that he thinks it was someone else, until he lashes out and punches the unsuspecting party. Bravo America, Republicans, Bush Administration, Democrats, and the Obama Administration; you all played into the “terrorists” hands perfectly. You even exceeded their wildest expectation. You have turned America into such a surveillance state, even though most people don’t realize it because it happens behind the digital curtains, that you are treasonous and are the tyrants who’s blood will be spilled along side that of patriots.
June 2, 2011 at 12:06 pm
Chief Mojo
Joe,
I am both shocked and appalled at your incredibly incorrect use of an apostrophe in the word American’s…
I demand an apology.
Thanks in advance for supplying one.
Joe,
I am both shocked and appalled at your incredibly incorrect use of an apostrophe in the word American’s…
I demand an apology.
Thanks in advance for supplying one.
June 2, 2011 at 1:08 pm
Chief Mojo
Marc,
I am both shocked and appalled at your incredibly incorrect use of the word who’s, instead of the correct usage, which would be whose…
I demand an apology.
Thanks in advance for supplying one.
Marc,
I am both shocked and appalled at your incredibly incorrect use of the word who’s, instead of the correct usage, which would be whose…
I demand an apology.
Thanks in advance for supplying one.
June 2, 2011 at 1:12 pm
lwlfnm
Police believe they are our masters. Welcome to USSA
Police believe they are our masters. Welcome to USSA
June 2, 2011 at 10:30 am | |
lwlfnm
It was a same policy in the former USSR. No pictures of bridges, factories, power stations, trains etc. Spies are everywhere.
It was a same policy in the former USSR. No pictures of bridges, factories, power stations, trains etc. Spies are everywhere.
June 2, 2011 at 10:34 am | |
Hoot4RE
Once upon a time, over 60 years ago, some innocent looking Japanese tourists took some innocent “personal” pictures at a place called Pearl Harbor. Not LONG after that, the BOMBS started falling….,
Once upon a time, over 60 years ago, some innocent looking Japanese tourists took some innocent “personal” pictures at a place called Pearl Harbor. Not LONG after that, the BOMBS started falling….,
June 2, 2011 at 12:06 pm
MIchael
@ Hoot4RE: Once upon a time, over 10 years ago, an innocent looking tourist took some innocent ‘personal’ pictures of a place called the World Trade Center. Not LONG after that, the PLANES came…
Oh wait, millions of innocent people take billions of innocent pictures of important sites and events every day! It’s called tourism, not terrorism, and photography is protected by the Constitution.
@ Hoot4RE: Once upon a time, over 10 years ago, an innocent looking tourist took some innocent ‘personal’ pictures of a place called the World Trade Center. Not LONG after that, the PLANES came…
Oh wait, millions of innocent people take billions of innocent pictures of important sites and events every day! It’s called tourism, not terrorism, and photography is protected by the Constitution.
June 2, 2011 at 12:24 pm
Nate
@Hoot4RE Once upon a time, over 10 days ago, I stubbed my toe walking up a flight of stairs. Should we now ban the construction and use of stairs? Get a grip. This is still, for now, the USA.
@Hoot4RE Once upon a time, over 10 days ago, I stubbed my toe walking up a flight of stairs. Should we now ban the construction and use of stairs? Get a grip. This is still, for now, the USA.
June 2, 2011 at 12:39 pm
B American
These officers DON”T NEED training. Fire them for GROSS incompetence. Their supervisor needs fired. These are the lowest 10% and need to lose their pensions, benefits and start over doing something else.
These officers DON”T NEED training. Fire them for GROSS incompetence. Their supervisor needs fired. These are the lowest 10% and need to lose their pensions, benefits and start over doing something else.
June 2, 2011 at 10:36 am | |
fred
The police involved should be forced to wear signs that say “Fascist” as punishment.
The police involved should be forced to wear signs that say “Fascist” as punishment.
June 2, 2011 at 11:16 am | |
Thomas
Or shirts that say “I’m with STUPID” that point to one another!
Or shirts that say “I’m with STUPID” that point to one another!
June 2, 2011 at 1:01 pm
Chief Mojo
Welcome to the Affirmative Action police state!
Welcome to the Affirmative Action police state!
June 2, 2011 at 1:15 pm
Dale
Did the news team need “permission” to videotape their story from the light rail station?
Did the news team need “permission” to videotape their story from the light rail station?
June 2, 2011 at 11:42 am | |
hsmom
That is such a great point! Probably not – mainstream media are in the privileged class in the USSR-oops USA
That is such a great point! Probably not – mainstream media are in the privileged class in the USSR-oops USA
June 2, 2011 at 11:57 am
Patrick
I got the exact same treatment after trying to take a picture of the plane I flew back into the country on from England. Thank you Minneapolis TSA! This is a much bigger story than this isolated incident in Maryland.
I got the exact same treatment after trying to take a picture of the plane I flew back into the country on from England. Thank you Minneapolis TSA! This is a much bigger story than this isolated incident in Maryland.
June 2, 2011 at 12:01 pm | |
JackDaniels
THE MTA COPS DON’T WANT ANYONE TAKING PICTURES OF THEM STANDING AROUND DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AND GETTING PAID FOR IT!!!!!!!!!!!
THE MTA COPS DON’T WANT ANYONE TAKING PICTURES OF THEM STANDING AROUND DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AND GETTING PAID FOR IT!!!!!!!!!!!
June 1, 2011 at 8:56 pm | |
nic
I am very against what the cops did but if they must stand around and appear to do nothing then that means there are no problems. I would rather have them there doing nothing than not being there at all, however they need to get off the power trip of arresting photographers and tasering innocent victims.
I am very against what the cops did but if they must stand around and appear to do nothing then that means there are no problems. I would rather have them there doing nothing than not being there at all, however they need to get off the power trip of arresting photographers and tasering innocent victims.
June 2, 2011 at 10:05 am | |
Jimmie Yates
A similiar situation happened to me in Druid Hill Park near the swimming pool area on May 28, 2011. I was verbally assault by a female cop who made me and my wife leave the pool area. I was taking pictures as I always do. She never told me why I could not take pictures. I am a 63-year old retrired Combat Veteran, who fought in Vietnam to protect our freedom. Her attitude was agressive and domineerig. I was in 3 different hopitals back in January for a heart attack. They put a stent in my heart. I am also diabetic and take insulin everyday. I felt so bad, insulted and dehumaninzed by this female policewoman. My heart started pounding hard in my chest, my body started to shake, and I became very weak. I am a law abiding citizen and I love Baltimore. I am now afriad to leave my house, because I don’t know whats going to happen next. Policemans need to learn how to talk to citizens with more respect, in a peaceful mode. I am still shock and hurting from this insult. My name is Jimmie Yates, email is: jyatesyates@netscape.net. What should I do at this point, let it pass?
A similiar situation happened to me in Druid Hill Park near the swimming pool area on May 28, 2011. I was verbally assault by a female cop who made me and my wife leave the pool area. I was taking pictures as I always do. She never told me why I could not take pictures. I am a 63-year old retrired Combat Veteran, who fought in Vietnam to protect our freedom. Her attitude was agressive and domineerig. I was in 3 different hopitals back in January for a heart attack. They put a stent in my heart. I am also diabetic and take insulin everyday. I felt so bad, insulted and dehumaninzed by this female policewoman. My heart started pounding hard in my chest, my body started to shake, and I became very weak. I am a law abiding citizen and I love Baltimore. I am now afriad to leave my house, because I don’t know whats going to happen next. Policemans need to learn how to talk to citizens with more respect, in a peaceful mode. I am still shock and hurting from this insult. My name is Jimmie Yates, email is: jyatesyates@netscape.net. What should I do at this point, let it pass?
June 1, 2011 at 9:08 pm | |
Ryan
Jimmie,
Fist off, thanks for your service. If what you are saying is true, then perhaps you have a right to be ticked, I would be too. However, you medical conditions have nothing to do with an officer doing their job. I’m just being honest when I say stick to the facts, and get away from the whining, because it discredts your complaint. Also, if you truly are a combat veteran (which I’ll take your word for), from one person who’s put it on the line for this country to another… I find it hard to believe that a female cop being an idiot makes you “afraid” to leave your house… get over it. Next time if you feel you are being mistreated, demand to get their name and badge number, and make a complaint. If you don’t, then that’s on you. If they don’t give it to you, remember the car # that they are using. It’s only assisgned to 1 or 2 police at a time. Go out and enjoy yourself my good man.
Ryan
Jimmie,
Fist off, thanks for your service. If what you are saying is true, then perhaps you have a right to be ticked, I would be too. However, you medical conditions have nothing to do with an officer doing their job. I’m just being honest when I say stick to the facts, and get away from the whining, because it discredts your complaint. Also, if you truly are a combat veteran (which I’ll take your word for), from one person who’s put it on the line for this country to another… I find it hard to believe that a female cop being an idiot makes you “afraid” to leave your house… get over it. Next time if you feel you are being mistreated, demand to get their name and badge number, and make a complaint. If you don’t, then that’s on you. If they don’t give it to you, remember the car # that they are using. It’s only assisgned to 1 or 2 police at a time. Go out and enjoy yourself my good man.
Ryan
June 2, 2011 at 9:44 am | |
nic
Get over it??? I don’t think so. It would pi$$ me off also. Redneck power hungry cops can ki$$ my a$$.
Get over it??? I don’t think so. It would pi$$ me off also. Redneck power hungry cops can ki$$ my a$$.
June 2, 2011 at 10:07 am
John Boy
Ryan, not every issue involves a democratic subversive. What I am sure Jimmie is saying is that this cop ticked him off and he suffered a form of anxiety attack that he normally wouldn’t suffer on a day out in public. In combination with his physical condition, this anxiety was putting his life In DANGER. RUDE law enforcement personnel should find another job. IF COPS ALLOW THEMSELVES TO BE AFFECTED BY THEIR JOB AND THEY CAN’T MAINTAIN THEIR COMPOSURE, THEY DO NOT NEED TO BE IN THE LAW ENFORCEMENT FIELD. Both my father and my older brother were cops. Before he passed my father would make comments on how cops have become rude. This change in thought patterns on the part of cops is a symptom of a US vs. THEM mentality. We are the citizens. They are here to protect US. If they fear for their lives-GET ANOTHER JOB.
Ryan, not every issue involves a democratic subversive. What I am sure Jimmie is saying is that this cop ticked him off and he suffered a form of anxiety attack that he normally wouldn’t suffer on a day out in public. In combination with his physical condition, this anxiety was putting his life In DANGER. RUDE law enforcement personnel should find another job. IF COPS ALLOW THEMSELVES TO BE AFFECTED BY THEIR JOB AND THEY CAN’T MAINTAIN THEIR COMPOSURE, THEY DO NOT NEED TO BE IN THE LAW ENFORCEMENT FIELD. Both my father and my older brother were cops. Before he passed my father would make comments on how cops have become rude. This change in thought patterns on the part of cops is a symptom of a US vs. THEM mentality. We are the citizens. They are here to protect US. If they fear for their lives-GET ANOTHER JOB.
June 2, 2011 at 10:11 am
Byzantine Ruins
***Next time if you feel you are being mistreated, demand to get their name and badge number, and make a complaint.***
Write the complaint on a piece of toilet paper and flush it down the commode for equivalent results to complaining to the police about their own misconduct.
Police in this country have been let to have far too much power for far too long.
***Next time if you feel you are being mistreated, demand to get their name and badge number, and make a complaint.***
Write the complaint on a piece of toilet paper and flush it down the commode for equivalent results to complaining to the police about their own misconduct.
Police in this country have been let to have far too much power for far too long.
June 2, 2011 at 10:18 am
JoLene Litz
Ryan, Although I agree with your advice to “get over it”, perhaps you do not understand how intimidating this kind of experience can be for some. There are few things worse than being innocent and then having a cop treat you as a criminal – threats and all. For those who respect authority (police), an incident like this CAN traumatize you. It turns your worldview on its head. It produces as much anxiety and stress as finding out that the beliefs you have based your whole life upon are false beliefs. I think the man would do well for himself if he at least called and filed a complaint against that woman bully cop. But I also do not think there is anything that can help this man get over his trauma other than changing his belief system and recognizing that MANY MANY cops are not from Mayberry, but are power tripping idiots.
Ryan, Although I agree with your advice to “get over it”, perhaps you do not understand how intimidating this kind of experience can be for some. There are few things worse than being innocent and then having a cop treat you as a criminal – threats and all. For those who respect authority (police), an incident like this CAN traumatize you. It turns your worldview on its head. It produces as much anxiety and stress as finding out that the beliefs you have based your whole life upon are false beliefs. I think the man would do well for himself if he at least called and filed a complaint against that woman bully cop. But I also do not think there is anything that can help this man get over his trauma other than changing his belief system and recognizing that MANY MANY cops are not from Mayberry, but are power tripping idiots.
June 2, 2011 at 10:44 am
Vicky
Ryan,I agree it would have behooved him to have stuck to his facts regarding the incident but I just wanted to give you a little insight into what I believe is happening with Mr. Yates. The problem he is having could be causing a lack of oxygen to the brain because the heart can not pump the blood sufficiently. Regardless of how brave you may have been in the past a couple of years of oxgyen deprivation really takes it out of you in a particularly slow and merciless way. It causes the body itself to be in an almost constant state of anxiety nearing panic depending upon how oxygen-deprived it is. It can be a particularly frightening time, like trying to breathe in a room with only a little oxgyen in it for months. It is exhausting and difficult for anyone who has never been there to understand. You can’t even debate without your body going into fight or flight mode and is very frustrating to say the least. You feel betrayed by your own body. Remember mercy, have grace. I was there at one time. It was freaky to say the least because I didn’t know understand what was going on. I went from being a strong, active and overcoming sort of woman to being afraid to answer my own door. Heart is better now and I’m getting back out there living a wonderful and full life. Also, to those who are asking why he was taking photos at a pool, I can’t speak for him but for myself, I could no longer work in my yards and gardens while I was ill so I took up photography again. It was therapeutic and gave me an outlet. It is easy to do and takes no toll on you physically for the most part. Water shots can be great. Catching the water droplets as they fly into the air, laughter upon childrens faces, sunlight across the water………lots of opportunities for wonderful photos.
Ryan,I agree it would have behooved him to have stuck to his facts regarding the incident but I just wanted to give you a little insight into what I believe is happening with Mr. Yates. The problem he is having could be causing a lack of oxygen to the brain because the heart can not pump the blood sufficiently. Regardless of how brave you may have been in the past a couple of years of oxgyen deprivation really takes it out of you in a particularly slow and merciless way. It causes the body itself to be in an almost constant state of anxiety nearing panic depending upon how oxygen-deprived it is. It can be a particularly frightening time, like trying to breathe in a room with only a little oxgyen in it for months. It is exhausting and difficult for anyone who has never been there to understand. You can’t even debate without your body going into fight or flight mode and is very frustrating to say the least. You feel betrayed by your own body. Remember mercy, have grace. I was there at one time. It was freaky to say the least because I didn’t know understand what was going on. I went from being a strong, active and overcoming sort of woman to being afraid to answer my own door. Heart is better now and I’m getting back out there living a wonderful and full life. Also, to those who are asking why he was taking photos at a pool, I can’t speak for him but for myself, I could no longer work in my yards and gardens while I was ill so I took up photography again. It was therapeutic and gave me an outlet. It is easy to do and takes no toll on you physically for the most part. Water shots can be great. Catching the water droplets as they fly into the air, laughter upon childrens faces, sunlight across the water………lots of opportunities for wonderful photos.
June 2, 2011 at 11:21 am
JQP
Really? Wow, talk about people on a superiority trip….who do you folks think you are critiquing this guy’s post? I mean, seriously! What is wrong with you?
Jimmie, some people are as inconsiderate of your feelings as that police officer was of the potential effect her puffed-up ego was on your health. Just plain self-centered and thoughtless. I am sorry that you and your wife had to endure such a scene.
And, Jimmie, welcome home.
Really? Wow, talk about people on a superiority trip….who do you folks think you are critiquing this guy’s post? I mean, seriously! What is wrong with you?
Jimmie, some people are as inconsiderate of your feelings as that police officer was of the potential effect her puffed-up ego was on your health. Just plain self-centered and thoughtless. I am sorry that you and your wife had to endure such a scene.
And, Jimmie, welcome home.
June 2, 2011 at 12:04 pm
Donnie Ricciardi
They might have thought you were a pedophile taking pictures at a swimming area. If I had a daughter and you were taking pictures at a pool, I would probably throw your camera in the pool.
They might have thought you were a pedophile taking pictures at a swimming area. If I had a daughter and you were taking pictures at a pool, I would probably throw your camera in the pool.
June 2, 2011 at 9:45 am | |
Tom R.
because everyone who takes pictures at a pool is a pedophile. What?
Jimmie Yates has every right to feel nervous and threatened by police who have become even less friendly and more combative and paramilitary. I think everyone should take video as soon as they are confronted by police. Its the only leverage we have against them.
because everyone who takes pictures at a pool is a pedophile. What?
Jimmie Yates has every right to feel nervous and threatened by police who have become even less friendly and more combative and paramilitary. I think everyone should take video as soon as they are confronted by police. Its the only leverage we have against them.
June 2, 2011 at 10:00 am
jen
right, because you have the right to take someone’s camera and do with it as you please without knowing ANYTHING about this person taking pictures? You must be part of the new Gestapo
right, because you have the right to take someone’s camera and do with it as you please without knowing ANYTHING about this person taking pictures? You must be part of the new Gestapo
June 2, 2011 at 10:06 am
noe bodie
because you are an idiot
because you are an idiot
June 2, 2011 at 10:10 am
copssuck
and if your aunt had balls she’d be your uncle, what’s your point? You weren’t there and obviously don’t have a daughter so why are you interjecting? Probably a cop. Only another cop would even attempt to defend what cops do.
and if your aunt had balls she’d be your uncle, what’s your point? You weren’t there and obviously don’t have a daughter so why are you interjecting? Probably a cop. Only another cop would even attempt to defend what cops do.
June 2, 2011 at 10:35 am
Billiam
Another brilliant statement by one of MD’s finest citizens – get real! Yep – everyone who comes to a pool with a camera is a pedophile. I’m sure you are of the opinion that everyone who owns a gun is a criminal, too. Donnie – you sound like a loose cannon – think before you speak
Another brilliant statement by one of MD’s finest citizens – get real! Yep – everyone who comes to a pool with a camera is a pedophile. I’m sure you are of the opinion that everyone who owns a gun is a criminal, too. Donnie – you sound like a loose cannon – think before you speak
June 2, 2011 at 10:59 am
FEDUP1776
Wow Donnie, really? But you dont mind the T.S.A thugs groping your daughter at the airport no doubt. All in the name of security.It’s people like you and the others who tell others to get over it that are letting our country be over run by people like the MTA. Grow a spine and wake up before we have no freedoms left…like taking pictures in a public place!
Wow Donnie, really? But you dont mind the T.S.A thugs groping your daughter at the airport no doubt. All in the name of security.It’s people like you and the others who tell others to get over it that are letting our country be over run by people like the MTA. Grow a spine and wake up before we have no freedoms left…like taking pictures in a public place!
June 2, 2011 at 12:08 pm
Carl
And why does it matter if pedophiles take pictures? Do you want to turn into a fascist state because you are afraid that a pervert might be masturbating to pictures?
And why does it matter if pedophiles take pictures? Do you want to turn into a fascist state because you are afraid that a pervert might be masturbating to pictures?
June 2, 2011 at 2:23 pm
thetruthshallsetyoufree
Sorry about your harassment. Just one point: the US military has not defended our freedom or our country since the War of 1812. No offense intended – just a fact (and I served too, a fact that I am less proud of all the time).
Sorry about your harassment. Just one point: the US military has not defended our freedom or our country since the War of 1812. No offense intended – just a fact (and I served too, a fact that I am less proud of all the time).
June 2, 2011 at 9:49 am | |
lee
WHAT!?!?!?!?
Are you an idiot? Do you not see the bombing of Pearl Habor as a direct attack on America. There were innocent people at that harbor too. I suppose you think as long as troops aren’t physically marching on continental US, that we’re not in any danger. Maybe you’d think differently if you were on the other side of an atom bomb dropping on your house, or if your daughter was killed in a drive by shooting from Mexican Mafia because it was a Tuesday.
Get off your house you ungrateful slob. If you feel that way, I wish you never took up military service; you weren’t needed.
WHAT!?!?!?!?
Are you an idiot? Do you not see the bombing of Pearl Habor as a direct attack on America. There were innocent people at that harbor too. I suppose you think as long as troops aren’t physically marching on continental US, that we’re not in any danger. Maybe you’d think differently if you were on the other side of an atom bomb dropping on your house, or if your daughter was killed in a drive by shooting from Mexican Mafia because it was a Tuesday.
Get off your house you ungrateful slob. If you feel that way, I wish you never took up military service; you weren’t needed.
June 2, 2011 at 10:16 am
ryan
I want to respond to Lee who responded to this comment. I highly suggest you go look at the history of what led to our involvement in World War 2. Japan attacked pearl harbor because we attacked them first economically by locking them out of the oil and coal market. Since Japan is an island they rely on imports for power. And if you are locked out of the world market for coal and oil that you need, what options do you have? (Cuba anyone?) Japan attacked pearl harbor because of this. We then entered world war 2. True, there were innocent people killed at Pearl Harbor but the attack was not unprovoked. Thetruthshallsetyoufreeès statement is 100% true. Just because you canèt see behind the flag you wrapped yourself in does not mean that these things didnt happen. You get your own opinion but you dont get your own facts. And when you look at the facts of our history as a country, almost every war we have been in has been a war that we provoked ourselves (WW2), were lied into (Vietnam war, Iraq War 2, Afghanistan) or were to fulfill treaty obligations (WW1, Gulf War 1).
I want to respond to Lee who responded to this comment. I highly suggest you go look at the history of what led to our involvement in World War 2. Japan attacked pearl harbor because we attacked them first economically by locking them out of the oil and coal market. Since Japan is an island they rely on imports for power. And if you are locked out of the world market for coal and oil that you need, what options do you have? (Cuba anyone?) Japan attacked pearl harbor because of this. We then entered world war 2. True, there were innocent people killed at Pearl Harbor but the attack was not unprovoked. Thetruthshallsetyoufreeès statement is 100% true. Just because you canèt see behind the flag you wrapped yourself in does not mean that these things didnt happen. You get your own opinion but you dont get your own facts. And when you look at the facts of our history as a country, almost every war we have been in has been a war that we provoked ourselves (WW2), were lied into (Vietnam war, Iraq War 2, Afghanistan) or were to fulfill treaty obligations (WW1, Gulf War 1).
June 2, 2011 at 10:53 am
lee
So, if we’re in a disagreement. And I’m your supplier… and I stop selling to you and convince others to stop selling to you, you come and kill my daughter in her sleep.
Do you have any idea what the Japanese did to the Chinese “unprovoked”. Or what they intended to eventually do? Do you have any idea that Hitler wasn’t just interested in Europe. He was working on intercontinental missiles.
Wait, that’s right, the Jews provoked Hitler.
You’re style of thinking would allow barbarians around to world to kill innocent people simply because they feel they were economically mistreated. So when Iran lands a nuke on your hometown, I’m led to believe you are prepared to bend over and take it, because apparently we provoked some evil dictator somewhere.
That logic is failure. And it’s this pacifism mentality that’s setting a big fat target on America, not embargoes that we set against tyrannical governments.
So, if we’re in a disagreement. And I’m your supplier… and I stop selling to you and convince others to stop selling to you, you come and kill my daughter in her sleep.
Do you have any idea what the Japanese did to the Chinese “unprovoked”. Or what they intended to eventually do? Do you have any idea that Hitler wasn’t just interested in Europe. He was working on intercontinental missiles.
Wait, that’s right, the Jews provoked Hitler.
You’re style of thinking would allow barbarians around to world to kill innocent people simply because they feel they were economically mistreated. So when Iran lands a nuke on your hometown, I’m led to believe you are prepared to bend over and take it, because apparently we provoked some evil dictator somewhere.
That logic is failure. And it’s this pacifism mentality that’s setting a big fat target on America, not embargoes that we set against tyrannical governments.
June 2, 2011 at 11:16 am
lee
But wait… it gets better.
By your logic WE NEVER DEFENDED America. 1812, American Revolution, French Indian war… You can look at all of that and “define” some group we “provoked”.
But wait… it gets better.
By your logic WE NEVER DEFENDED America. 1812, American Revolution, French Indian war… You can look at all of that and “define” some group we “provoked”.
June 2, 2011 at 11:18 am
colin
you speak the truth. no credible occupying force has ever threatened the US. Even the war of 1812 was only a small expeditionary force in a land of 7.5 million. fought for our freedom is garbage.
you have to go all the way back to the revolutionary war for a credible threat to our freedom.
propaganda artists get mad and the spit drips down their face but they dont bring any arguments
you speak the truth. no credible occupying force has ever threatened the US. Even the war of 1812 was only a small expeditionary force in a land of 7.5 million. fought for our freedom is garbage.
you have to go all the way back to the revolutionary war for a credible threat to our freedom.
propaganda artists get mad and the spit drips down their face but they dont bring any arguments
June 2, 2011 at 11:51 am
lee
You don’t get it…. you have to maintain freedom. Sure no one’s threatened us in any single POINT in history. However, if we did NOTHING, eventually someone would gain enough ground. If someone slaps you in the face day after day, you lay them out…. you don’t wait until they bring a gun.
You don’t get it…. you have to maintain freedom. Sure no one’s threatened us in any single POINT in history. However, if we did NOTHING, eventually someone would gain enough ground. If someone slaps you in the face day after day, you lay them out…. you don’t wait until they bring a gun.
June 2, 2011 at 12:07 pm
Ha ha
your comment is totally irrelevant.
your comment is totally irrelevant.
June 2, 2011 at 12:07 pm
scott
never put the @ sign online….say”at”or something else……WebBots scan pages for emails and that’s how you get spam….)’(
never put the @ sign online….say”at”or something else……WebBots scan pages for emails and that’s how you get spam….)’(
June 2, 2011 at 10:21 am | |
marc
And some people scoff at resisting authorities and the government. You are a good example, for all those who think it is necessary, in a “post 9/11 world”, to trample on liberties and freedom, to realize that their freedoms are at threat too. Many think abusing freedom and liberty is OK as long as it is “them” that it’s happening to, but it will be too late when they come for you.
I am going to show your story to my dad, because he is one of those guys that don’t realize the abstract dangers of these kinds of behaviors. As a student of dictatorships/authoritarian regimes and government in general; I know, unopposed, they always lead to oppression because the authorities cannot be trusted to self-regulate.
And some people scoff at resisting authorities and the government. You are a good example, for all those who think it is necessary, in a “post 9/11 world”, to trample on liberties and freedom, to realize that their freedoms are at threat too. Many think abusing freedom and liberty is OK as long as it is “them” that it’s happening to, but it will be too late when they come for you.
I am going to show your story to my dad, because he is one of those guys that don’t realize the abstract dangers of these kinds of behaviors. As a student of dictatorships/authoritarian regimes and government in general; I know, unopposed, they always lead to oppression because the authorities cannot be trusted to self-regulate.
June 2, 2011 at 11:57 am | |
David~
I in part agree with sheriff.
Although I certainly think the Patriot Act intrudes on our rights, sometimes it saves lives.
Why was this man taking pictures there and on such a hot day even? This was either staged to get attention for the man or ACLU, etc., OR maybe in the next days or weeks the same man will return to there or other locations he may have taken photos of and place a fake or even real bomb. Then if anyone dies, the ACLU will be guilty of murder! And the well intentioned officers who confronted the “photographer” will win awards for non-stupidity instead of at risk for losing their jobs.
I in part agree with sheriff.
Although I certainly think the Patriot Act intrudes on our rights, sometimes it saves lives.
Why was this man taking pictures there and on such a hot day even? This was either staged to get attention for the man or ACLU, etc., OR maybe in the next days or weeks the same man will return to there or other locations he may have taken photos of and place a fake or even real bomb. Then if anyone dies, the ACLU will be guilty of murder! And the well intentioned officers who confronted the “photographer” will win awards for non-stupidity instead of at risk for losing their jobs.
June 1, 2011 at 9:15 pm | |
Frank
Forgot to take you meds again did you. The Patriot Act is federal law, local law enforcement has no authority to act on federal law. Think not? Ask Arizona about enforcing illegal immigration.
Forgot to take you meds again did you. The Patriot Act is federal law, local law enforcement has no authority to act on federal law. Think not? Ask Arizona about enforcing illegal immigration.
June 2, 2011 at 9:24 am | |
E. R. Gregg
The Patriot Act is LAW. Be it local or Federal, police are required to enforce law. Arizona is well within its rights to enforce, or more to the point, HELP enforce Federal law. Obviously, the Feds need the assistance.
As for the Patriot Act, you must consider that most laws are intentionally mislabeled. Erosion of rights and invasion of privacy is wrong no matter the reason. Get a court order before you try to take our rights away. That is the purpose of the courts. They are to make the government, whether FBI or School Officer, pursue “due process” BEFORE a citizen, or resident alien for that matter, has her rights revoked.
Taking pictures CAN be a suspicious act, but the officer could’ve simply asked “Why.” Chances are strong that the citizen would’ve given a fantastic tale of how they were planning to destroy civilization as we know it by photographing beautiful architecture, converging rail lines or people for art’s sake.
I am by no means a liberal. I am, however, an ardent supporter of FREEDOM no matter the cost.
“Give me liberty or give me death.” — Patrick Henry (subversive terrorist)
The Patriot Act is LAW. Be it local or Federal, police are required to enforce law. Arizona is well within its rights to enforce, or more to the point, HELP enforce Federal law. Obviously, the Feds need the assistance.
As for the Patriot Act, you must consider that most laws are intentionally mislabeled. Erosion of rights and invasion of privacy is wrong no matter the reason. Get a court order before you try to take our rights away. That is the purpose of the courts. They are to make the government, whether FBI or School Officer, pursue “due process” BEFORE a citizen, or resident alien for that matter, has her rights revoked.
Taking pictures CAN be a suspicious act, but the officer could’ve simply asked “Why.” Chances are strong that the citizen would’ve given a fantastic tale of how they were planning to destroy civilization as we know it by photographing beautiful architecture, converging rail lines or people for art’s sake.
I am by no means a liberal. I am, however, an ardent supporter of FREEDOM no matter the cost.
“Give me liberty or give me death.” — Patrick Henry (subversive terrorist)
June 2, 2011 at 9:53 am
Joe American
E.R. Gregg is an “ardent supporter of FREEDOM”????
Get into your TSA line with your wife and let us pat you down and fondle you and her both… take off your shoes and hold your hands to your face so that we can pound you with radiation. No pictures allowed… show me your ID, and hey, let me have another crack at patting down your wife.. we like her. Enjoy your freedom you stupid f***** sheep.
E.R. Gregg is an “ardent supporter of FREEDOM”????
Get into your TSA line with your wife and let us pat you down and fondle you and her both… take off your shoes and hold your hands to your face so that we can pound you with radiation. No pictures allowed… show me your ID, and hey, let me have another crack at patting down your wife.. we like her. Enjoy your freedom you stupid f***** sheep.
June 2, 2011 at 10:49 am
E. R. Gregg
@Joe American:
Did you bother to read anything before posting?
I abhor the removal of the rights of the people at the hands of government without due process. Pat downs are included.
Look before you leap, sir.
Freedom means being able to do as I please, as long as, it does not interfere with others right to do the same. Freedom also means, taking the responsibility of accepting that bad things may happen due to that freedom. Unfortunately, that includes dealing with people who do read well.
@Joe American:
Did you bother to read anything before posting?
I abhor the removal of the rights of the people at the hands of government without due process. Pat downs are included.
Look before you leap, sir.
Freedom means being able to do as I please, as long as, it does not interfere with others right to do the same. Freedom also means, taking the responsibility of accepting that bad things may happen due to that freedom. Unfortunately, that includes dealing with people who do read well.
June 2, 2011 at 1:23 pm
E. R. Gregg
and bad typists like myself . . .
dealing with people who do not read well.
and bad typists like myself . . .
dealing with people who do not read well.
June 2, 2011 at 1:24 pm
JohnnyRuss
David, how many lives has the Patriot Act saved? Would you make the same excuses for “well intentioned” Gestapo during the 1930s who, while putting “undesirables” into camps, were telling the German people that it was for their own protection. Don’t be a sheep. These people are not saving you from anything – they’re more of a danger than any terrorist out there.
David, how many lives has the Patriot Act saved? Would you make the same excuses for “well intentioned” Gestapo during the 1930s who, while putting “undesirables” into camps, were telling the German people that it was for their own protection. Don’t be a sheep. These people are not saving you from anything – they’re more of a danger than any terrorist out there.
June 2, 2011 at 9:33 am | |
MT
Wow, are you wrong.
Have you ever heard of a terrorist named Christopher?
By law, we have the right to photograph anything we see as long as we are lawfully in a public place.
I was wrongfully approached by TSA after taking pictures of them patting down one of my friends in the airport in 2002. It is embarrassing to get pulled aside by security in public when you are not committing any crime.
The problem here isn’t citizens with cameras, it’s police that don’t even know the laws that they are supposed to be upholding. Its called incompetence.
Wow, are you wrong.
Have you ever heard of a terrorist named Christopher?
By law, we have the right to photograph anything we see as long as we are lawfully in a public place.
I was wrongfully approached by TSA after taking pictures of them patting down one of my friends in the airport in 2002. It is embarrassing to get pulled aside by security in public when you are not committing any crime.
The problem here isn’t citizens with cameras, it’s police that don’t even know the laws that they are supposed to be upholding. Its called incompetence.
June 2, 2011 at 9:38 am | |
Dave
Wake up America – your political correctness is sickening. And to jump from the Patriot act to the genocidal Gestapo is simply a weak-minded attempt to equate the biggest genocide in history vs. listening to terrorists discuss plits against America. And has the Patriot Act saved lives? Of course. Obama ran on platforms to shut down Gitmo, close the Patriot Act, try terrorists in open court – then what happened? He actually became President and understood the threat we actually face – thus, he kept EVERYTHING in place and amped up drone strikes in Pakistan.
Wake up America – despite your best intentions, people will ALWAYS want you dead.
Oh and terrorists named Christopher? Countless.
Here’s a good one for you to review. Your ignorance is disturbing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Paul
Wake up America – your political correctness is sickening. And to jump from the Patriot act to the genocidal Gestapo is simply a weak-minded attempt to equate the biggest genocide in history vs. listening to terrorists discuss plits against America. And has the Patriot Act saved lives? Of course. Obama ran on platforms to shut down Gitmo, close the Patriot Act, try terrorists in open court – then what happened? He actually became President and understood the threat we actually face – thus, he kept EVERYTHING in place and amped up drone strikes in Pakistan.
Wake up America – despite your best intentions, people will ALWAYS want you dead.
Oh and terrorists named Christopher? Countless.
Here’s a good one for you to review. Your ignorance is disturbing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Paul
June 2, 2011 at 9:51 am
Mike
“Those who surrender liberty for security deserve neither.”
“Those who surrender liberty for security deserve neither.”
June 2, 2011 at 9:39 am | |
Mark
You show how little you know David. You want to live in a police state rob a bank and you will get all the security you desire. It is a camera not a gun. Plans for rail stations can be found very easy. When I was young and in school we were taught how bad Russia was because their way of thinking was if there is not a law allowing you do something it was not allowed. Where the USA was the opposite. Now it has become if we don’t tell you that you can do it, it is against the law. More people die every year in auto accidents than in all the terror deaths of the last 50 years. Sounds like we would do better to get rid of cars.
You show how little you know David. You want to live in a police state rob a bank and you will get all the security you desire. It is a camera not a gun. Plans for rail stations can be found very easy. When I was young and in school we were taught how bad Russia was because their way of thinking was if there is not a law allowing you do something it was not allowed. Where the USA was the opposite. Now it has become if we don’t tell you that you can do it, it is against the law. More people die every year in auto accidents than in all the terror deaths of the last 50 years. Sounds like we would do better to get rid of cars.
June 2, 2011 at 9:42 am | |
Ryan
“maybe in the next days or weeks the same man will return to there or other locations he may have taken photos of and place a fake or even real bomb”
You seem to have thought this through a little too much. I think it’s time to have a police officer dig into your background, internet history, medical records, and phone records to ensure you’re not planning anything. I know it may intrude on your rights, but it’s just to keep us all save. I know you’ll understand.
“maybe in the next days or weeks the same man will return to there or other locations he may have taken photos of and place a fake or even real bomb”
You seem to have thought this through a little too much. I think it’s time to have a police officer dig into your background, internet history, medical records, and phone records to ensure you’re not planning anything. I know it may intrude on your rights, but it’s just to keep us all save. I know you’ll understand.
June 2, 2011 at 10:29 am | |
Jeff
I take pictures of all kinds of things for the sake of taking pictures. I enjoy photography. Sometimes, I take pictures of buildings or vehicles or trains. I just like taking pictures.
That’s all the reason I should need.
I take pictures of all kinds of things for the sake of taking pictures. I enjoy photography. Sometimes, I take pictures of buildings or vehicles or trains. I just like taking pictures.
That’s all the reason I should need.
June 2, 2011 at 10:35 am | |
cops are crazy
wow, that’s some logic you got there. So if a cop shoots into a crowd of 1000 people randomly and happens to kill a guy who may be a murderer one day in the future than that action would be justified? MORONIC. Again, only a cop would try to justify the actions of another cop. The public knows cops are paranoid, angry, self-righteous and often dangerous. I fear cops more than criminals, at least with a criminal I have a chance to defend myself.
wow, that’s some logic you got there. So if a cop shoots into a crowd of 1000 people randomly and happens to kill a guy who may be a murderer one day in the future than that action would be justified? MORONIC. Again, only a cop would try to justify the actions of another cop. The public knows cops are paranoid, angry, self-righteous and often dangerous. I fear cops more than criminals, at least with a criminal I have a chance to defend myself.
June 2, 2011 at 10:51 am | |
colin
No one understands patriot act but everyone has an opinion. The patriot act was completely unnecessary because we already had the FISA court..
That is why our FISA court judges staged a protest during the the bills passage. Have strong opinions about things you understand.
Civil liberties and war are not something to have an ignorant opinion about.
No one understands patriot act but everyone has an opinion. The patriot act was completely unnecessary because we already had the FISA court..
That is why our FISA court judges staged a protest during the the bills passage. Have strong opinions about things you understand.
Civil liberties and war are not something to have an ignorant opinion about.
June 2, 2011 at 11:57 am | |
David~
and it is sad that Baltimore City at least as portrayed in this wjz article thinks its ok to encourage terrorism and rogue bombers. try listening to police scanners in other juristictions. in some cases you will find that less serious incidents are taken seriously, as they should be. yet another reason to run for the suburbs… are they telling us its ok to be killed by a bus or light rail in baltimore city, but it is not ok for a citizen to be killed in D.C. or maryladn suburbs? how about they send a message stating a zero tolerance policy for our citizens being killed buy terrorists or rogue terrorists.
and it is sad that Baltimore City at least as portrayed in this wjz article thinks its ok to encourage terrorism and rogue bombers. try listening to police scanners in other juristictions. in some cases you will find that less serious incidents are taken seriously, as they should be. yet another reason to run for the suburbs… are they telling us its ok to be killed by a bus or light rail in baltimore city, but it is not ok for a citizen to be killed in D.C. or maryladn suburbs? how about they send a message stating a zero tolerance policy for our citizens being killed buy terrorists or rogue terrorists.
June 1, 2011 at 9:23 pm | |
JackT
@David~
>>Why was this man taking pictures there and on such a hot day even?
Because he WANTED TO. That’s the essence of a free country — you may do as you please without permission from anyone.
@David~
>>Why was this man taking pictures there and on such a hot day even?
Because he WANTED TO. That’s the essence of a free country — you may do as you please without permission from anyone.
June 2, 2011 at 9:28 am | |
Solid Citizen
Agreed … the concept of civil liberty for the citizens of this nation is becoming quite foreign to law enforcement.
Quo warranto, B.O.?
Agreed … the concept of civil liberty for the citizens of this nation is becoming quite foreign to law enforcement.
Quo warranto, B.O.?
June 2, 2011 at 9:45 am | |
John Doe
Yes, yes, yes! Exactly.
Yes, yes, yes! Exactly.
June 2, 2011 at 9:45 am | |
MoKahuna
I have no doubt that Jimmie had the legal right to take pictures at the pool, but I would still be concered about why he was doing so. Was he taking photos of his family at the pool? No problem. Otherwise, who was the subject of his picture taking. Little kids in swimsuits, or just underage girls (or boys)? It all sounds a little creepy to me, and as a parent I would remove my kids from the area if I saw some guy with a camera taking random photos.
I have no doubt that Jimmie had the legal right to take pictures at the pool, but I would still be concered about why he was doing so. Was he taking photos of his family at the pool? No problem. Otherwise, who was the subject of his picture taking. Little kids in swimsuits, or just underage girls (or boys)? It all sounds a little creepy to me, and as a parent I would remove my kids from the area if I saw some guy with a camera taking random photos.
June 2, 2011 at 9:48 am | |
Rob
It is none of your business to know why Jimmy was taking pictures. You have no more right to ask than the officers did.
It is none of your business to know why Jimmy was taking pictures. You have no more right to ask than the officers did.
June 2, 2011 at 9:55 am
MoKahuna
I’m not saying I have the right to know why someone is taking pictures. However, I do have the right to use common sense and remove my kids from a situation that I believe may be inappropriate, or dangerous. To be clear, I’m not defending the cops, just stating that as a parent I would be concerned about Jimmie’s actions, and would react accordingly, as is my right. Remember, we ALL have rights.
I’m not saying I have the right to know why someone is taking pictures. However, I do have the right to use common sense and remove my kids from a situation that I believe may be inappropriate, or dangerous. To be clear, I’m not defending the cops, just stating that as a parent I would be concerned about Jimmie’s actions, and would react accordingly, as is my right. Remember, we ALL have rights.
June 2, 2011 at 10:16 am
lee
You have the right to act in response to a situation however you want as long as you don’t infringe on the rights of others.
In other words, take responsibility for your own actions and stop expecting the government to protect you from getting your feelings hurt. If you see a dangerous situation, leave quickly. However, you have no right to stop a person from taking pictures of a public area. If they were taking pictures of you, you could ask them to stop in a civil manner. If they continue to bother you, it’s harassment. However, you can’t physically assault the guy by removing his camera, or forcing him to leave.
In short, protect yourself within the law. Don’t rely on others. And stop thinking you have the right to not have your feelings hurt.
You have the right to act in response to a situation however you want as long as you don’t infringe on the rights of others.
In other words, take responsibility for your own actions and stop expecting the government to protect you from getting your feelings hurt. If you see a dangerous situation, leave quickly. However, you have no right to stop a person from taking pictures of a public area. If they were taking pictures of you, you could ask them to stop in a civil manner. If they continue to bother you, it’s harassment. However, you can’t physically assault the guy by removing his camera, or forcing him to leave.
In short, protect yourself within the law. Don’t rely on others. And stop thinking you have the right to not have your feelings hurt.
June 2, 2011 at 10:22 am
cops are crazy
none of your f$#%^&%G business man, because he WANTED TO. Maybe he was taking pics of his family or grandkids. You’re so paranoid and presumptuous that you must be a cop too.
none of your f$#%^&%G business man, because he WANTED TO. Maybe he was taking pics of his family or grandkids. You’re so paranoid and presumptuous that you must be a cop too.
June 2, 2011 at 10:56 am
Marbran
Holding suspicions like yours isexactly how the ruling elite want us to think of each other. When we are paranoid of our neighbors and see malicious intent everywhere, we are more apt to report on our neighbors. Everyone at the pool is in open view of the public, and they consent to public observation simply by being there. That’s the difference between private versus public property. Yates could be photographing from the pool deck, or an adjacent apartment building – it doesn’t matter. He hasn’t committed any crime until he actually breaks a law. But in your paranoid mind, Yates must be a pedophile taking pictures of young children.
Holding suspicions like yours isexactly how the ruling elite want us to think of each other. When we are paranoid of our neighbors and see malicious intent everywhere, we are more apt to report on our neighbors. Everyone at the pool is in open view of the public, and they consent to public observation simply by being there. That’s the difference between private versus public property. Yates could be photographing from the pool deck, or an adjacent apartment building – it doesn’t matter. He hasn’t committed any crime until he actually breaks a law. But in your paranoid mind, Yates must be a pedophile taking pictures of young children.
June 2, 2011 at 12:00 pm
MoKahuna
Wow. I think some of you need to go back and read what I posted again. I did not suggest that the cops should get involved. I did not suggest that I or anyone else should be able to infringe on the rights of others. I did not say he should not be able to take picture of his family at the pool (in fact, I said the opposite). What I did say that I, personally, would not feel comfortable having a stranger take pictures of my kids at the pool, and I would remove them from that situation. I did not suggest that I would approach the photographer, or interfere with his/her rights to take photos in a public area. And to be absolutely clear, I did not suggest the photographer was a pedophile, or any other kind of criminal.
However, as a parent, my primary responsibility is to protect my kids. If I think there is the slightest chance that they might be at risk, you can be sure that I will act to protect them, even though I may be wrong. I would rather be wrong, and have them be safe, than have been right but failed to act in the name of political correctness. Sorry, but I stand by my previous posts.
Wow. I think some of you need to go back and read what I posted again. I did not suggest that the cops should get involved. I did not suggest that I or anyone else should be able to infringe on the rights of others. I did not say he should not be able to take picture of his family at the pool (in fact, I said the opposite). What I did say that I, personally, would not feel comfortable having a stranger take pictures of my kids at the pool, and I would remove them from that situation. I did not suggest that I would approach the photographer, or interfere with his/her rights to take photos in a public area. And to be absolutely clear, I did not suggest the photographer was a pedophile, or any other kind of criminal.
However, as a parent, my primary responsibility is to protect my kids. If I think there is the slightest chance that they might be at risk, you can be sure that I will act to protect them, even though I may be wrong. I would rather be wrong, and have them be safe, than have been right but failed to act in the name of political correctness. Sorry, but I stand by my previous posts.
June 2, 2011 at 12:58 pm
jen
move along – nothing to see here …keep your eyes down at all times like good sheep…um I men People.
move along – nothing to see here …keep your eyes down at all times like good sheep…um I men People.
June 2, 2011 at 9:31 am | |
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June 2, 2011 at 10:03 am | |
Rochesterwatch
First of all, David, it’s better to be free than safe. Second, none of these abuses of our freedoms actually make you any more safe. There are plenty of places you can go if you prefer to live in a police state, but some of us are trying to keep America comfortable for those of us who have the courage to live free.
First of all, David, it’s better to be free than safe. Second, none of these abuses of our freedoms actually make you any more safe. There are plenty of places you can go if you prefer to live in a police state, but some of us are trying to keep America comfortable for those of us who have the courage to live free.
June 2, 2011 at 9:33 am | |
lee
The courage to live free sometimes involves being responsible for your own security. If that means leaving a public area, so be it. America provides protection from illegal activity, not from potentially embarrassing activity.
The courage to live free sometimes involves being responsible for your own security. If that means leaving a public area, so be it. America provides protection from illegal activity, not from potentially embarrassing activity.
June 2, 2011 at 10:24 am | |
Geno
You know what is funny? You can Google Baltimore MTA and get THOUSANDS of pictures! LOL. And they are worried about a guy snapping some? Stupid!
You know what is funny? You can Google Baltimore MTA and get THOUSANDS of pictures! LOL. And they are worried about a guy snapping some? Stupid!
June 2, 2011 at 9:35 am | |
John Steele
The terrorists have won; they have our government violating our constitution in the name of “protecting” us..
The terrorists have won; they have our government violating our constitution in the name of “protecting” us..
June 2, 2011 at 9:36 am | |
Karl Fey
For those not familiar with train fans, it is not uncommon to stand out in ALL kinds of weather to get a coveted photo. It may seem weird if it’s not your hobby, but the railroads are quite used to people standing trackside taking photos and video. Amtrak finally got the right idea when it realized that railfans – photographers in particular – knew more about their railroad then they did, and instead of locking them up, now has an online registration program which, in effect, deputizes the railfan/photographer. If such a program is good enough for Amtrak, it should certainly work for MTA. If something strange is going on, these are the people who will recognize it faster than anyone and report it promptly. Railroads should be grateful that they literally have armies of unpaid guardians watching their property.
For those not familiar with train fans, it is not uncommon to stand out in ALL kinds of weather to get a coveted photo. It may seem weird if it’s not your hobby, but the railroads are quite used to people standing trackside taking photos and video. Amtrak finally got the right idea when it realized that railfans – photographers in particular – knew more about their railroad then they did, and instead of locking them up, now has an online registration program which, in effect, deputizes the railfan/photographer. If such a program is good enough for Amtrak, it should certainly work for MTA. If something strange is going on, these are the people who will recognize it faster than anyone and report it promptly. Railroads should be grateful that they literally have armies of unpaid guardians watching their property.
June 2, 2011 at 9:38 am | |
Tom
I live in Laredo Texas, the largest port of entry for freight in the United States. I was taking pictures of a railroad bridge which crosses the Rio Grande. I was approached by US Border Patrol and told I could not take pictures of the bridge. I continued to do so, and told the agent that I was on public property and had every right to take photographs, which is what I do for a living. The agent did nothing but go on her way.
I would have had no problem explaining to her what I was doing, and why, and even would have shown her ID or a passport. She did not ask for that.
Photos taken from public property require NO permission. The only issue you may have is if recognizable people are in the photo and you publish it without proper releases.
As a republican from Texas, I soy go ACLU.
I live in Laredo Texas, the largest port of entry for freight in the United States. I was taking pictures of a railroad bridge which crosses the Rio Grande. I was approached by US Border Patrol and told I could not take pictures of the bridge. I continued to do so, and told the agent that I was on public property and had every right to take photographs, which is what I do for a living. The agent did nothing but go on her way.
I would have had no problem explaining to her what I was doing, and why, and even would have shown her ID or a passport. She did not ask for that.
Photos taken from public property require NO permission. The only issue you may have is if recognizable people are in the photo and you publish it without proper releases.
As a republican from Texas, I soy go ACLU.
June 2, 2011 at 9:38 am | |
Marbran
So, she told you that you couldn’t take the pictures, you countered by telling her your rights as a citizen in a public place, and she then walked away?? A complaint should have been filed! Does everyone see that this was a failed attempt by a government law enforcment official to get you to change your behavior based upon nothing but her own opinion of what you, the citizen, can and cannot do? Since you didn’t cave in, and you were aware of your rights, she had no choice but to move on – on to the next person where she probably made up some other rule violation. Report stuff like this every time!
So, she told you that you couldn’t take the pictures, you countered by telling her your rights as a citizen in a public place, and she then walked away?? A complaint should have been filed! Does everyone see that this was a failed attempt by a government law enforcment official to get you to change your behavior based upon nothing but her own opinion of what you, the citizen, can and cannot do? Since you didn’t cave in, and you were aware of your rights, she had no choice but to move on – on to the next person where she probably made up some other rule violation. Report stuff like this every time!
June 2, 2011 at 12:07 pm | |
Chris
What kind of society have we become when we just give the authorities a hard time? I can’t believe they are doing their job! This would not be a story if the guy just would have cooperated just for a second and talked to them like a normal human for christ sake.
What would have happened if there WERE terrorists doing recon for a plot? These same security guards would have been absolutely blasted for not doing their job!
With all that being said, this was clearly a plant from the ACLU, I have no doubt in my mind. Either they, or some other wacko group sent this guy in and told him to be as suspicious as possible, then give the authorities a really hard time. It’s sick.
What kind of society have we become when we just give the authorities a hard time? I can’t believe they are doing their job! This would not be a story if the guy just would have cooperated just for a second and talked to them like a normal human for christ sake.
What would have happened if there WERE terrorists doing recon for a plot? These same security guards would have been absolutely blasted for not doing their job!
With all that being said, this was clearly a plant from the ACLU, I have no doubt in my mind. Either they, or some other wacko group sent this guy in and told him to be as suspicious as possible, then give the authorities a really hard time. It’s sick.
June 2, 2011 at 9:40 am | |
John Doe
“What kind of society have we become when we just give the authorities a hard time?”
We would then have become the kind of society where people value liberty and do not respect the authority of police who are in violation of the law. I’m pretty sure I’m wasting my time on you, badgelicker.
“What kind of society have we become when we just give the authorities a hard time?”
We would then have become the kind of society where people value liberty and do not respect the authority of police who are in violation of the law. I’m pretty sure I’m wasting my time on you, badgelicker.
June 2, 2011 at 9:48 am | |
Mark
Chris they were not doing their job. they were abusing their power in that job. It is the right of everyperson to be a jerk if they are doing no harm. Someone wants to take pictures of anything it is not against the law. Someone wants to call a policeman a name it is not against the law. It is time to stop regulating personal habits. And by the way WHAT TERRORIST…. it must be sad to be you and fear everything you see.
Chris they were not doing their job. they were abusing their power in that job. It is the right of everyperson to be a jerk if they are doing no harm. Someone wants to take pictures of anything it is not against the law. Someone wants to call a policeman a name it is not against the law. It is time to stop regulating personal habits. And by the way WHAT TERRORIST…. it must be sad to be you and fear everything you see.
June 2, 2011 at 9:57 am | |
Mike Sarkisian
They did their job incorrectly…that is the point! The ends do not justify the means!
They did their job incorrectly…that is the point! The ends do not justify the means!
June 2, 2011 at 10:01 am | |
JQP
Chris, do you read the news in this city daily? There is so much corruption in the Baltimore City police department it is sickening. Listen, my Mom, Dad & brother are all cops, and even I think it is important to question authority when you sincerely believe them to be wrong… and this was wrong.
…and,by the way, you’re very mentality is why people on both sides of the fence are paranoid. THEY are all plotting some kind of terrorist attack….THEY are trying to oppress us…. you need a little freedom from your own fear.
THE ONLY THING WE HAVE TO FEAR IS FEAR ITSELF…. right?
Chris, do you read the news in this city daily? There is so much corruption in the Baltimore City police department it is sickening. Listen, my Mom, Dad & brother are all cops, and even I think it is important to question authority when you sincerely believe them to be wrong… and this was wrong.
…and,by the way, you’re very mentality is why people on both sides of the fence are paranoid. THEY are all plotting some kind of terrorist attack….THEY are trying to oppress us…. you need a little freedom from your own fear.
THE ONLY THING WE HAVE TO FEAR IS FEAR ITSELF…. right?
June 2, 2011 at 12:23 pm | |
von Hemmingen
Good thing he didn’t take a video of a State Trooper. He probably would have been jailed by the Maryland Gestapo. Maryland is a junior version of New York. I am so glad I moved back to Arizona. Here our only oppressor is the Federal government that sues our Sheriffs for doing their jobs. You guys North of VA should be a separate Peoples Republic and start your own stupid country. Your are too far in the toilet. And you let it happen to yourselves. Go back to sleep or wake up.
Good thing he didn’t take a video of a State Trooper. He probably would have been jailed by the Maryland Gestapo. Maryland is a junior version of New York. I am so glad I moved back to Arizona. Here our only oppressor is the Federal government that sues our Sheriffs for doing their jobs. You guys North of VA should be a separate Peoples Republic and start your own stupid country. Your are too far in the toilet. And you let it happen to yourselves. Go back to sleep or wake up.
June 2, 2011 at 9:40 am | |
Mac from Texas
He should get an apology at the very least, and some assurance that the officers will have some training in the Patriot Act (despite the apparent unconstitutionality of some of it).
David Rocah’s invocation of South Africa was unnecessary hyperbole and shows just how out of touch and politically manipulative the ACLU really is. Learn your history, David. The US is nothing like SA under apartheid, nor is it anything like Nazi Germany or Stalinist Russia. If anything, it is like 1980s Britain – a once great country in socialist decline.
He should get an apology at the very least, and some assurance that the officers will have some training in the Patriot Act (despite the apparent unconstitutionality of some of it).
David Rocah’s invocation of South Africa was unnecessary hyperbole and shows just how out of touch and politically manipulative the ACLU really is. Learn your history, David. The US is nothing like SA under apartheid, nor is it anything like Nazi Germany or Stalinist Russia. If anything, it is like 1980s Britain – a once great country in socialist decline.
June 2, 2011 at 9:42 am | |
Did anyone apologize to the detained man?