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British Tax Protesters Arrest Judge In Act Of “Lawful Rebellion”

Birth of British Tea Party? Chaotic scenes as police clash with demonstrators

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Tuesday, March 8, 2011

For those wondering whether we can expect to see anything like the scenes witnessed in Egypt coming to America or the United Kingdom, the actions of British protesters who engaged in “lawful rebellion” by attempting to arrest a judge yesterday could herald the beginning of a new tax revolt to rival the infamous poll tax riots of 1990.

Just as the 2009 town hall confrontations gave birth to the modern incarnation of the Tea Party in the United States, with the organization having its early origins in the 2007 End the Fed protests involving Ron Paul supporters, could yesterday’s events herald the beginning of a massive tax revolt movement set to sweep the UK?

There were chaotic scenes as around 600 activists from the British Constitution Group massed around Birkenhead county court chanting “freedom,” and “arrest that judge” as police with riot dogs attempted to hold them back.

Protesters stormed the courtroom and civilly arrested Judge Michael Peake before escorting him from the building. Peake was eventually wrestled away from protesters by police as the activists chanted, “Do your job” to the police. Dozens more police arrived to set up blockades and numerous protesters were arrested.

Peake was ruling on a case involving Roger Hayes, former member of UKIP, who has refused to pay council tax, both as a protest against the government’s treasonous activities in sacrificing Britain to globalist interests and as a result of Hayes clearly proving that council tax is illegal.

Hayes has embarked on an effort to legally prove that the enforced collection of council tax by government is unlawful because no contract has been agreed between the individual and the state. His argument is based on the sound legal principle that just like the council, Hayes can represent himself as a third party in court and that “Roger Hayes” is a corporation and must be treated as one in the eyes of the law.

“As he emerged from the court surrounded by his supporters, Mr Hayes said: ‘The judges are breaking the law in their own courts. I asked him [Mr Peake] if he was serving under his oath of office,” reports the Daily Mail.

“I asked three times for him to confirm this and he refused, so I civilly arrested the judge and I called upon some people in the court to assist me in this,” Hayes said.

“They were acting lawfully and the police should not have arrested them.”

“Made up of people from across the UK, the marchers say they are exerting their “ancient right to lawful Rebellion under Article 16 of Magna Carta,” reported the Wirral Globe.

Raymond Saintclair, who organised the Birkenhead protest said: “Today was day one. This is going to happen again and again and again. We have sent a message to this court as one nation and one voice until change comes.”

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In a statement carried on the group’s website, Common Law is cited as a means through which lawful rebellion will be conducted to address “political treason and criminality being imposed on the law-abiding people of the British Isles.”

“It is clear, beyond all reasonable doubt and with evidence that would stand up in any properly-conducted court of law, that an influential network of rogue British politicians across the parties is unlawfully involved in carrying out the hidden strategies and agendas of a centuries-old, secretive and criminal global elite who are seeking the imposition of unlawful global governance on the unsuspecting peoples of the world. Known broadly by researchers as the New World Order (NWO) – though some refer to them as the Illuminati or Zionists (please note that this does not mean Judaism) – the modus operandi of these powerful traitors and criminals is now clear for all to see,” reads the statement.

The group lists the Committee of 300, the Bilderberg Group, the Trilateral Commission, the Council on Foreign Relations, and the Club of Rome as just some of the organizations who control “Subservient and compartmentalised national networks of influential politicians, industrialists, campaigning groups, charities and key individuals in trusted positions.”

The British Constitution Group and the movement of “lawful rebellion” is strongly supported by Brian Gerrish, a former Royal Navy Lieutenant Commander who publishes the UK Column newspaper, which documents how Britain is being destroyed by globalist interests as well as the insidious “Common Purpose” organization which has infiltrated every level of British society.

Yesterday’s events will send a clear shot across the bow of the British government, which is currently engaged in aggressive austerity measures involving cuts to public services as well as tax hikes. In March 1990, London was hit with massive tax riots in scenes dubbed the “Battle of Trafalgar,” as demonstrators raged against the infamous poll tax that was eventually abolished after millions of Brits refused to pay it, a sequence of events that many attributed to the downfall of Margaret Thatcher who resigned as Prime Minister in November the same year.

Poll tax was replaced with council tax, which took into account people’s ability to pay based on the value of their home. However, council tax rates have consistently risen over the rate of inflation even as the British people feel more and more misrepresented by the national government based in London and local governments that have been completely consumed by the agenda of Common Purpose to the detriment of their own constituents.

http://www.thebcgroup.org.uk/

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Paul Joseph Watson is the editor and writer for Prison Planet.com. He is the author of Order Out Of Chaos. Watson is also a fill-in host for The Alex Jones Show. Watson has been interviewed by many publications and radio shows, including Vanity Fair and Coast to Coast AM, America’s most listened to late night talk show.

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1. Philippe Says:
   March 8th, 2011 at 6:15 am
   These protestors should be commended for their actions. What a pity the police could find no patriotism in assisting of the arrest of the judge.
   Wrabbit2000 Reply:
   March 8th, 2011 at 7:16 am

   I agree they need to be commended. I wish this could happen in the United States with a few judges.

   That would be the key difference (to their benefit) between the UK and US with their unarmed/heavily armed police. If this happened in a U.S. courtroom, it would have quickly resulted in a lot of people being beaten hard by police and possibly someone getting shot. Tasers would surely have been heard all around. The protesters would definitely have been made to pay for the ultimate ‘contempt of court’, whether they surrendered or not.

   Whoever said there weren’t a few real positive points to the UK’s approach to life?

   Aidan Monaghan Reply:
   March 8th, 2011 at 7:31 am

   At the very least, those holding public office in the U.S. should be forbidden under penalty of law from being members of or conferring with privately controlled groups like the Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, Rand Corporation and Bilderberg.

   Dragon's Eye Reply:
   March 8th, 2011 at 8:34 am

   They already are!!!

   These *****crats just don’t care about the “rule of law” because THEY are the ones who enforce them against the rest of us, while skulking behind the scenes – breaking those laws!

   Dragon's Eye Reply:
   March 8th, 2011 at 8:35 am

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   This is STUPID!!!

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   March 8th, 2011 at 10:54 am

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   Philippe Reply:
   March 8th, 2011 at 7:40 am

   You’re right, I almost forgot about the infamous taser. If it were in the U.S., I believe the police would have beaten and shocked the protestors, used dogs and then Faux News would show a clip and claim they were all leftist-anarchists. I guess police aren’t so brave when they’re not armed to the teeth with an arsenal of pain compliance weapons.

   Dragon's Eye Reply:
   March 8th, 2011 at 8:36 am

   A good portion of the police officers are cowards!!!

   Philippe Reply:
   March 8th, 2011 at 9:06 am

   @Dragon’s Eye,

   You’re right, but isn’t that one of the requirements though?

   Peter Wolf Reply:
   March 8th, 2011 at 10:38 am

   “A good portion of the police officers are cowards!!!”

   Very true.

   Stand up to them and dont give in to the Thugocracy.

   Everyone do your research on the Freeman movement and learnb the differences between the Law and Legislation as there is a very big difference and once you understand it you will understand how to beat the system once and for all.
2. rockinsoul Says:
   March 8th, 2011 at 6:23 am
   Brilliant!! I first became aware of the British Constitution Group and Article 61 of the Magna Carta, Lawful Rebellion, a couple of years ago at the Lawful Rebellion roadshow tour in Newcastle, NE UK. Since then the whole thing has grown and gained momentum and now has enough people in the know to actually DO something. This should make the corrupt authorities pay attention. It is not going to go away. So long as THEY are riding rough-shod over humanity and human rights, and engaging in criminal acts of subversion and deceit, we the people will resist. They will have to kill us all, and that’s why that is their plan. But they cannot stop the awakening. They may control a lot of things, but they do not control the infinite consciousness within us.
   For anyone wanting to look into this please see ukcolumn.org and thebcgroup.org.uk – you can also learn about the specifics of Common Law, Lawful Rebellion and how to implement it in every aspect of your life from sites such as fmotl.com (freeman on the land) and tpuc.org (the people’s united community). Freedom!!
   Dragon's Eye Reply:
   March 8th, 2011 at 8:38 am

   Hoo-hah!!!

   Me likes!!
3. Huggles Says:
   March 8th, 2011 at 6:23 am
   A ludicrous situation. Britain is not the US and this land is not for deranged malcontent teabaggers.
   We pay council tax to fund schools, libraries, for the street lighting, street cleansing, the enforcement of bye laws, for the police, the fire service, for local primary health service, for Meals on Wheels, for old people’s homes….
   If Roger Hayes does not like it in the UK, he can pack his bags and head for the US.
   Dusk Reply:
   March 8th, 2011 at 6:58 am

   Agreed Huggles.

   Not paying his council tax is basically saying “I don’t wish to be part of the group” (a member of the British people that is), and abstaining from health care, education and lawful rights, etc, which local councils manage.

   Of course, he has that freedom if he really wants it. But I say it would be better to make an attempt on managing the “system” better, rather than just fighting against it.

   The fact that he got so many people to stand up with him, and did attempt to bamboozle the Justice System is admirable though. If only he’d done it with a case which actually had it’s basis in improving people’s lives, then maybe it’d mean something.

   I can think of many educational and management programs which could do with such support and why not have “we the people” take the government to court for such abuses as illegal arms sales, political manipulation in foreign governments and making weapons of mass destruction, not to mention conspiracy with the banks and financial “authorities”.

   That is all.

   Philippe Reply:
   March 8th, 2011 at 7:20 am

   “Of course, he has that freedom if he really wants it. But I say it would be better to make an attempt on managing the “system” better, rather than just fighting against it.”

   But when something is immoral, you don’t advocate better management, you advocate that it should be dissolved. I guess I’ll never understand the Euro mindset of wanting to steal your neighbor’s money via government to pay for your services. You excuse it by telling your neighbor they also get a share of your money as well. All the meanwhile, instead of being self reliant, you’re paying a middleman (the government) to administer your services. So your expenses over all go up and like any government run monopoly, because it is mismanaged.

   Dusk Reply:
   March 8th, 2011 at 7:38 am

   I understand what your saying but may I clarify?

   Social support is a human right. It is not immoral for a group to support members of it’s own group.

   Yes, the way it is done in some aspects is immoral, hense my point on managing it better.

   I do not agree with health care and education for only those who can pay for it, nor do I agree that everyone should get a totallity of free education and health care.

   Our government doesn’t handle everything correctly, but do you know what? Niether does any ammount of private firms or corperate bodies.

   Tax is on nearly everything these days. Do you really get to say what its spent on? If not, then your country is in as much s**t as ours.

   N.B. I would like to see more positiveness on this site, I’ve had for too much dooms day porn lately and its a real downer. Constructive projects are where its at one and all.

   That is all.

   Philippe Reply:
   March 8th, 2011 at 7:59 am

   I am still at a loss why you believe it is government that must run these services though. “Social support is a human right.” That isn’t really the crux of the problem, it is who is administering it. I can walk into a clinic and receive a treatment in most cases, the same day. No months of scheduling services in advance where I live. If I used the social medical system, there is a good chance I would have to schedule it in advance.

   Private firms can be corrupt, but at least if there is competitition, people stop using them and they collapse if they don’t correct their methods. In a free market, that’s how it works. In western socialized governments, the corperation does mostly as it desires and if things don’t work out, they plead for bail out money. Profits are privatized and liabilities are socialized.

   Might surprise you, but churches used to run most hospitals, fed the poor, house orphans etc. Thanks to secular views because of Marxism, the church is replaced with government and we can simply witness the horror of that transformation.

   Dragon's Eye Reply:
   March 8th, 2011 at 8:41 am

   Social support BY GOVERNMENT is NOT a “right”!!!

   Get it straight “huggles” and “dusk”!!!

   Social support at the cost of others who DON’T NEED NOR SUPPORT IT is WRONG and IMMORAL!!!

   This is where CHARITY comes in! If you wish to help others, that is your prerogative! To force others into supporting something by taxing them on their hard-earned sweat and blood is WRONG!!!

   JosieWales Reply:
   March 8th, 2011 at 4:09 pm

   Dragon’s Eye you are almost correct but not quite. It isn’t inconceivable that we could all agree that “roads” are a good thing for all of us, so paying reasonable taxes to make such things possible is something most reasonable people would agree on.

   The problem comes into more focus when Tea party opponents like to lump “roads” in with healthcare and other complex issues where socialism portends to be the “one size fits all” solution. The notion that I would want the same healthcare that you want is unfair. For example, let’s say I get cancer – well no way I’m signing up for chemo, I’ll try hollistic/natural approaches and if they don’t work – I’m dead, fine, so what. The cancer industry probably accounts for at least 75% of healthcare costs and the official Big Pharma “treatments” to cancer are something I don’t ever want, therefore, shouldn’t have to pay for through taxation.

   Free market economics give rise to the best solutions and providers because free choice allows for results to be recognized and then further supported. This is also why many abhor the dysfunctional public ed system.

   I’m not really sticking up for Tea Party types though, either, because they are making big mistakes in focusing on “cuts” as the primary TOOL and seem to have forgotten the original message: End the Fed, root cause of most of our problems.

   In fact the “Tea Party” represents a common misnomer that the American Revolution was fought over taxes. NOT TRUE. The Boston tea party was a protest against King George and it is taught in school like taxes were the reason, but the real reason was the rejection of fiat money.

   The colonists didn’t mind paying King George taxes, but when KG outlawed colonial script and said you gotta use my money, wink wink, the colonists had a conniption.

   So, what I’m trying to get across is that reasonable taxation is not the real issue, but that the system has gone wild and is no longer reasonable, giving the people the right to rebel.

   Dragon's Eye Reply:
   March 8th, 2011 at 10:46 pm

   @ Mr. “JosieWales”:

   Please define for us what constitutes “reasonable taxation”???

   Another thing, now that you mention the “roads”:

   Ever heard about the Lincoln Memorial Highway project??? It was our country’s First Interstate Highway, and it was NOT funded by the Federal Government as the National Highway and Transportation Safety Act didn’t come into existence until WELL AFTER the L.M.HWy was well-serviced and connected to the communities it served.

   AND it was a lot cheaper to build and maintain than what we have through federal funding of them now!

   There is a much better, more efficient way of doing EVERYTHING! – Just not through an over-sized, ever-so-hungry, wasteful ‘government’!

   JosieWales Reply:
   March 9th, 2011 at 6:08 am

   @ Dragon’s Eye

   “Please define for us what constitutes “reasonable taxation”???”

   I’m not going to define what reasonable taxation is – that is a silly demand.

   I will tell you though, that it isn’t what we are getting today.

   “The antithesis of reasonable taxation is kind of like porn – you know it when you see it.”

   And really it is relative to each individual viewpoint.

   Like it or not, US Constitution Article I Section 8 Powers of Congress states:

   The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

   To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

   Among others that really make Congress pretty damn powerful. It is that credit thing coupled with the Federal Reserve Act that is the real stickler that has allowed this thing to morph into absurdity. Thomas Jefferson was known to have said in later life, “that if he could change one thing about the constitution, it would be to forbid congress from borrowing money.”

   Section 8 also states:

   To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

   A power which Congress has handed over to the Federal Reserve, so one could make the argument that Congress is now illegitimate because the 16th Amendment is unconstitutional.

   Section 8 also states:

   To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

   Ya Right! So, as you can see Congress likes to uphold those parts of its powers that suit the elite agenda, like taxes and suppress such constitutional language that would work against the elite agenda. There is also a strong argument that the taxes are NOT “uniform throughout the United States;” because big corporations use clever loop holes for tax evasion.

   And I may have been wrong in stating the people have a right to rebel, IF you strictly go by the constitution. In fact, the constitution contains strong language in support of the govt right to quell rebellion, with authority.

   I know for sure some of the founding fathers said that it is in fact our duty to rebel from time to time, when the govt becomes too oppressive, but I can’t actually find that kind of language IN the constitution – quite opposite – giving govt strong power to quell rebellion.

   usconstitution.net
   Rokka60 Reply:
   March 8th, 2011 at 8:16 am

   I feel you are missing the point. The Council Tax is unlawful. The Liability orders used to impose it do not exist. This has been recently admitted in open court by a council. All the councils in the UK are in fact Private Shareholder Limited Companies listed on Dunn & Bradstreet. These Companies are run for profit.
   No Statute or Act of Parliment can be imposed without the consent of the governed. Common Law is both anterior and superior to Statute Law. The very language itself has been twisted by the legal profession until we reach a point where people do not understand exactly what they are agreeing to when dealing with the courts. eg.If you tell a Policeman that “you understand” you are actually agreeing to “stand under” his authority. Check out John Harris, “Its an Illusion” on You Tube.He Explains it all most eloquently.

   Peter Wolf Reply:
   March 8th, 2011 at 11:30 am

   Everything you say is correct.

   Huggles Says:
   March 8th, 2011 at 6:23 am

   A ludicrous situation. Britain is not the US and this land is not for deranged malcontent teabaggers.

   We pay council tax to fund schools, libraries, for the street lighting, street cleansing, the enforcement of bye laws, for the police, the fire service, for local primary health service, for Meals on Wheels, for old people’s homes….

   If Roger Hayes does not like it in the UK, he can pack his bags and head for the US.”

   RUBBISH

   Pack up and leave instead of asserting your LAWFUL rights ??

   I feel that you are missing the point a bit but exactly the same rules apply to the US as the UK regarding the Legislation/Law and the UK is runned as a corporation just like the US.The UK and the US are a lot more similar than you think.

   Personally i dont see what is “Ludicrous” about this incident as it sets a very inportant lawful precedent and its a protest that makes a very important point and its all about re-establishing your rights and your right to seperate yourself from a contract that ties you to govt and the paying of taxes etc etc to a criminal system and i mught as well remind you that its the same criminal system that thinks it can impose multi-generational taxes to repay debts that are not your debts.

   I dont see why its necessary to include “Deranged malcontent teabaggers” in a reply to this toipic when the people of the UK have a LEGITIMATE case against the tax system just asmuch as those wholive in the US do.

   Roger Hayes has a right to protest and revolt against the tax system and if you dont like that fact then perhaps you should pack your bags and go and live in a country where Common Law and a Constitution doesnt exist.

   Dusk Reply:
   March 8th, 2011 at 6:58 am

   Agreed Huggles.

   Not paying his council tax is basically saying “I don’t wish to be part of the group” (a member of the British people that is), and abstaining from health care, education and lawful rights, etc, which local councils manage.”

   In what way is this “abstaining from Lawful Rights ??”

   Its actually abstaining from LEGAL RIGHTS !!

   You need to learn more about the difference before posting comments about it.

   You are right though because if you destroy your contract between yourself [your legal fiction] and the Govt and UK PLC you have no right to use any service provided by Govt that is paid for by taxpayers.

   “I dont wish to be part of that group ” really means “I do not wish to be tied to a contract between myself and the UK Govt and UK PLC which is basically the Rothschilds that i was entered into without my consent”

   “Of course, he has that freedom if he really wants it. But I say it would be better to make an attempt on managing the “system” better, rather than just fighting against it.” – @Dusk

   That sounds constructive.Lets attempt to manage the criminal and fraudulent banking system a little better.Lets all “attempt” this ourselves.

   Do you have any suggestions about how to manage a criminal system any better ??

   Who is going to manage it ? The Govt ??

   The fact is though it is mismanged but that never matters when its taxpayers who are paying for it all.

   “The fact that he got so many people to stand up with him, and did attempt to bamboozle the Justice System is admirable though. If only he’d done it with a case which actually had it’s basis in improving people’s lives, then maybe it’d mean something.” – @Dusk

   Could you please explain EXACTLY what you mean by “and did attempt to Bamboozle the Justice System ” ??

   There was no bamboozling going on whatsoever as yiu clearly dont understand the difference between Legalities and Lawand what Courts are legally and lawfully obliged to uphold.You clearly dont understand that Law and Legalities are two opposing realities and that Roger Hayes has a LAWFUL right to assert his independence as a Sovereign individual I.E FREE.So in that respect this action does “mean something” but you fail to understand what it means yourself.

   The way i see it is that if everyone freed themselves from a parasitical criminal system that is UK PLC then their lives would improve dramatically.Taxatiion and social care etc etc etc could just as easily be managed and organised under a system that is neither criminal and corrupt like the present system.

   “I can think of many educational and management programs which could do with such support and why not have “we the people” take the government to court for such abuses as illegal arms sales, political manipulation in foreign governments and making weapons of mass destruction, not to mention conspiracy with the banks and financial “authorities”.” – @Dusk

   You have to start somewhere and the fact is here is someone DOING something about it and ALL of those things you have listed are funded by TAXES so it makes sense to me to not assist a criminal and corrupt system by paying taxes and to become free of it all.

   Neither of you really understand what you are talking about but i dodnt understand this topic once either until i researched it and educated myself about it all so i strongly recommend that you both do the same as there are links provided within the article above.

   Dusk Reply:
   March 8th, 2011 at 3:34 pm

   Grand indeed.

   This “someone doing something about it” is not someone making a statement about how the government spends taxes, this is someone trying to get out of paying a legistated tax, levied at constituants of administered areas of a country – UK Plc (lol).

   Yes our “system” in Britain is full of red tape, yes, there are criminal and corrupt aspects in nearly every part of it, but have you ever thought of a better way of doing it?

   If I had I’d be running for office or working my way up the ladder in the unelected ranks.

   Social security is a Human Right (See article 22 of the Declaration of Human Rights).

   Working your way out of paying council tax, parking tickets, your mortgage payments, or what ever, is a mark of corruption. I say that knowing full well that many such things are put in place as methods of control, suppression or just plain greed.

   But then why be part of it at all then? Go live in one of the many places on earth were such things don’t exist, just don’t expect someone to answer your 999 calls etc; don’t expect some of the rights you have and then disregard your exchange for those rights.

   The system does need fixed, the rights people have need fixed, the corperate slavery needs fixed.

   I’m just saying that the actions as seen above are not the best ones to take.

   Educate, reform and remove the real factors at work in destroying the integrity of our country.

   Do not underestimate others Mr Wolf.

   A wrong target is the mark of someone who is either borderline or totally socio- or psychopathic.

   That is all.

   Peter Wolf Reply:
   March 8th, 2011 at 5:34 pm

   “Working your way out of paying council tax, parking tickets, your mortgage payments, or what ever, is a mark of corruption. I say that knowing full well that many such things are put in place as methods of control, suppression or just plain greed.”

   So avoiding paying parking tickets is corrupt yet at the same time you claim that you admit that that corruption and criminality is rife yet you think that your self righteousness and sanctamoniousness makes it alright or acceptable.

   You were and still are the correct target which is why i replied to you and obviously wasted my time although this time you have used terms like “Legislative”.

   “I’m just saying that the actions as seen above are not the best ones to take.”

   The principle is sound and correct but it needs to be done in a more civilised way.

   What are your solutions since you havent presented any yet ??

   ” don’t expect some of the rights you have and then disregard your exchange for those rights.”

   I dont quite get that as it doesnt make any sense.

   “Disregard your exchange for those rights” ?

   What are you talking about ?

   “Educate, reform and remove the real factors at work in destroying the integrity of our country.”

   What do you think i am talking about ?

   I would like to re-introduce debt free currency and re-introduce a non privately owned and controlled Bank Of England instead of paying TAX to pay back the privately owned BOE for the interest charged on the issuance of currency backed by nothing.

   That is the root cause of what is destroying the integrity of the UK along with failed political ideology.

   ” Go live in one of the many places on earth were such things don’t exist, just don’t expect someone to answer your 999 calls etc; .”

   I already have done and i did just fine without police and all the rest of it.

   The Fact is the law and constitution of this country provides you with the means to exercise lawful rebellion regardless of your own view of it.

   “The system does need fixed, the rights people have need fixed, the corperate slavery needs fixed.”

   What do you mean by “needs fixed” ?

   “A wrong target is the mark of someone who is either borderline or totally socio- or psychopathic.”

   Thats a pathetic and snide cheap shot[also untrue] but the fact you typed it says a lot about your character.Contradicting/disagreeing with someone indicates that someone is Socio/Psychopathic ??

   Thats quite pathetic.

   “Do not underestimate others Mr Wolf.”

   In your case i dont want to overestimate you.

   That is all.

   Dusk Reply:
   March 8th, 2011 at 6:20 pm

   If all your here to do is criticize others (or at least me) thank you.

   Peter Wolf Reply:
   March 8th, 2011 at 8:05 pm

   Its not all i am here to by any means but its obvious you cant take the criticism or being contradicted and if thats the case then dont post comments as its not a sycophants corner.

   Thats the internet for you.

   You post comments at your own risk or do you somehow think you are above criticism or contradiction ? but the fact is you chose to contradict my comment so this is the consequence of doing that.

   That is all.

   Dusk Reply:
   March 9th, 2011 at 3:57 am

   @ Wolf:

   Posting comments at your own risk aside, so far, my views on the actions of council tax dodgers seem to of upset you. But I am entittled to my opinion and you are entittled to dissagree.

   So I will restate my opinion just in case you feel that I’m attacking you personally (even if you may be one of the people that is fighting against paying council tax), which I am not.

   If one where to find out exactly where and what the monies paid by people in council tax are spent on, then one would then know what services he or she was then no longer entittled to, if they were then not wanting to pay council tax that.

   That is my point. People work at jobs in public services, administration and emergency services etc, and having them there working those jobs, operating our system of society, and being there if and when they’re needed, is part of our civilization.

   There are other way to do civilization of course but this is what we’ve got.

   An ignorant populace is easy to manipulate, therefore educating people in rights, civics, morals and in raising awareness is what I do, in order to bring about an awareness in people who will then want want to change the system for the better, people who will spot criminality and corruption, and actually do something about it instead of letting certain things get brushed under the table as it were. And in my own opinion and experience, being critical and conratdictory or someone else’s views, consistantly or persistantly, is not constructive (I understand the need for it at certain points thought).

   That is all.

   Peter Wolf Reply:
   March 9th, 2011 at 12:26 pm

   I dont feel that you are attacking me personally as i am happy to debate/argue as i enjoy it if its about a worthwhile topic so no problem about that.

   What my problem with your comments is that it didnt appear that you either understood or agreed with the principle behind the actions which is very important [the seperation of the individual and the legal fiction that is tied to a contract] and the debate was all about not paying council tax.To me it is about something much bigger than that.It seemed like you were belittling the protestors as thats how it came across to me

   Personally i dont or wouldnt resent paying it in principle but i dislike the waste that is involved in it and unlike some here i dont resent paying a percentage of tax for welfare because like you think its what a civilised society should do.

   I do resent a criminal and corrupt system being responsible for handling the cash and i bitterly resent a criminal system imposing debt on taxpayers and everyone in society to pay off corruption and criminality in the banking system and every thing else.I resent paying tax for police when they are no longer working to uphold the law and to serve and protect.This is much more apparent in the US than the UK but the UK police seem to think they can make the rules up as they go along as well.

   I am sick and tired of legislation that contradicts the rule of law which is disregarded in politics these days.Those in power dont respect the rule of law so i resent their legislation that is criminal and their abuse of power and total lack of accountability.

   The system is inherntly criminal and corrupt and all those working in public services are victims of it as everyone is a victim of it.

   The UK govt is a non-represntative govt.

   The protest is about hitting back at a corrupt system rather than it being about nothing more than the avoidance of paying council tax which trivialises it and thats why i was annoyed by your previous comments.

   “There are other way to do civilization of course but this is what we’ve got.”

   This is what we have got but the corruption and criminality will have to end and the system as it is cant be managed without removing the cause of the problem and in any case the UK non-representative govt doesnt have a conscience about imposing cuts themselves in order to service a debt that was generated fraudulently which the people of the UK had nothing to do with.I am sick of the criminal system rather than being sick of paying for public services.Like many others i have no problem with paying for public services and reasonable taxation.

   This is the first time that PP have covered this topic and the Freeman movement so thats a good thing.

   If the UK and the US were able to produce debt free currency then society would not be in the mess it is in.
   wildcat Reply:
   March 8th, 2011 at 8:45 am

   Have a look at your council tax budget – 25% straight off the hoof goes to public pension funds – of that, the majority of that goes to the directors on £250K/year (more than the prime minister earns) and not on the majority of workers. Since a good percentage of the population are retired now, you are simply raiding one pension fund to pay another.

   Then you will find that the budgets for police, fire and health departments is around 50 million and being cut back, while something called “Mothers and children” is 500 million and increasing. It’s not social security, education, recreation, but simply “baby massage lessons”.
   dracula Reply:
   March 8th, 2011 at 8:43 pm

   illegal taxes with out the consent of the public you morons the magna carte gave them that right but you are a bunch of trolls who are govt flunkies is that not correct sorry trolls that you are bleep you to hell
4. American Dystopia Says:
   March 8th, 2011 at 7:30 am
   The British protesters take the “Free Man On The Land” seriously. Sad here in America even among those who call them selves Patriots and Constitutionalists are ignorant of the fact we are too are a Common Law Jurisdiction, that the Magna Carta is as much the Law here as it is in England.
   Dragon's Eye Reply:
   March 8th, 2011 at 8:43 am

   When things get worse here, then there may be the need to see this as an opportunity!

   Right now, the “illusion” of a wonderful life is still playing strong to many!
5. worldtruthorg Says:
   March 8th, 2011 at 7:30 am
   our government are useless bastards to
6. Hammer Says:
   March 8th, 2011 at 7:54 am
   I love the english. Who ever said they weren`t clever? If americans were that clever they`d be holding up the Constitution up at all legal proceedings. The Constitution trumps all decisions made that were unconstitutional.
   Philippe Reply:
   March 8th, 2011 at 8:06 am

   But what good would it do to hold it up when you have leaders that condemn it as a G– D—- piece of paper? Do you not see the irrelevance of such an action? They don’t care what the Constitution says – we’re at the height of tyranny, they just do as they please.

   Dragon's Eye Reply:
   March 8th, 2011 at 8:45 am

   And STILL, not enough people ( the common-people ) have the temerity to seize the moment and actually “walk the walk”!

   When that happens, THEN the truth will be known!

   redneck Reply:
   March 8th, 2011 at 8:46 am

   Thank you Philippe!

   You are dead on. We now have social establishements that we have supported with our tax $$$, that are not accountable to the people they are to serve. The whole system is corrupt and is now geared to support the government that controls it.

   And, from reading the other comments on this site there are some people who do not understand this fact yet.

   Good Day

   dracula Reply:
   March 8th, 2011 at 8:46 pm

   take task to them for they are traitors and should swing like a christmas tree ornament for that treason is not that correct
   Ellis Reply:
   March 8th, 2011 at 3:06 pm

   I have said ” the English are not clever” and now it turns out I am wrong.

   Philippe Reply:
   March 8th, 2011 at 8:45 pm

   Oh they’re crafty devils. The sun never set on the British empire because God didn’t trust them in the dark.

   Dragon's Eye Reply:
   March 8th, 2011 at 10:48 pm

   Rawr, har, har, har, har, har!!!!!
7. CTLovesNathanHale Says:
   March 8th, 2011 at 8:52 am
   These guys have balls!
8. jnormanton Says:
   March 8th, 2011 at 8:58 am
   Here in the USA these thugs that call themselves police officers would have opened fire.
   Philippe Reply:
   March 8th, 2011 at 9:10 am

   To play devil’s advocate, I think Wrabbit had it right in that they’d likely use tasers first. Tasers seem to make them feel like slave masters able to control people through pain compliance.

   wiggins Reply:
   March 8th, 2011 at 1:46 pm

   Exactly. A taser is a cattle prod.

   Dragon's Eye Reply:
   March 8th, 2011 at 10:49 pm

   And WHAT do these p-l-u-t-o-crats think of all of us again???

   ( Psssst! Give ya a clue, it goes “moo”. )
9. Orangutan. Says:
   March 8th, 2011 at 9:57 am
   ‘Make Wall Street Pay’ grassroots citizens campaign Occupies and Protests Bank Of Ameria branch and House Speaker John Boehner’s Office
10. NewModelArmy Says:
    March 8th, 2011 at 10:07 am
    In the UK, there are groups of individuals who are nothing less than anarchists and violent revolutionaries. They were at the Poll Tax riots. They latch on to the animal rights and environmentalist movements. They infiltrate legitimate protests, like the recent ones against university tuition fees, and start riots. They like nothing better than to attack police.
    This mess in the courtroom will please those types, but even as an active 9-11 Truther and fan of PrisonPlanet, I want nothing to do with this mayhem. To be fair, it looks like the organisers couldn’t control the situation, so it’s likely the protest’s been hijacked by some of the types I just mentioned.
    Peter Wolf Reply:
    March 8th, 2011 at 11:43 am

    “In the UK, there are groups of individuals who are nothing less than anarchists and violent revolutionaries. They were at the Poll Tax riots. They latch on to the animal rights and environmentalist movements. They infiltrate legitimate protests, like the recent ones against university tuition fees, and start riots. They like nothing better than to attack police.”

    Communists as well as Anarchists.Both types are Morons.

    They are usually affiliated to Police and Intelligence agencies and sometimes they are plain clothes police.

    Paid/Hired provocateurs and if they are not then they are usually complete Morons.Some are so stupid that they think they are protesting against Police rather than what the protests are about.

    You could be right about this protest being hijacked but its up to the protestors to weed them out themselves the same way it is for legitimate protestors to weed out the Provocateurs/Plain clothes police/Anbarchists/BlackBloc/Communists or anyone at all who is intent on disrupting the protest.

    In this particular instance this is the first protest of its kind so its only fair to forgive them for being a little dosorganised or whatever as its early days yet…………
    Astrogardener Reply:
    March 8th, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    Unfortunately the police are infiltrating any form of protest, and we all know why. If any of these bastards are caught they should have their trigger fingers cut off, I wonder how that would go down in the ‘special op’s’ department..
    wiggins Reply:
    March 8th, 2011 at 1:49 pm

    I think if you investigate closely, these so called ‘anarchists’ are agent provocateurs.
    Usually Old Plod.
11. roderick usher Says:
    March 8th, 2011 at 10:52 am
    I wonder – how long until those stalwart idiots known as Leland Palmer and storky – respond to this story?
    I doubt they’d have anything of interest to say. Both of them favor a global carbon-emissions tax, which is exactly what the globalists want. That’s why they spend so much time on Alex Jones’ website whenever there is a story touching on the climate. Their purpose is disinformation: they argue that Climategate is a fraud, insisting that it was orchestrated by a “paid AGW denier network” while they remain blind to the designs of the Bilderberg Group, the Club of Rome, the Council on Foreign Relations, and Trilateral Commission. Neither of them can see the big picture, but some of us can.
    Astrogardener Reply:
    March 8th, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    Just ask them about taxation on REAL pollution, DU, crude oil spillage, chem trails etc, you won’t get much of a reply.

    Dragon's Eye Reply:
    March 8th, 2011 at 10:52 pm

    No! You’ll just get more of the name-calling, label-spewing, trash-talking garbage that they seem to think is “debate”!

    I really wish folks would just leave them out of it! Please, don’t go asking for trouble :=: You’ll most assuredly get more than you bargain for!
12. WightSparky Says:
    March 8th, 2011 at 11:42 am
    MOST IMPORTANT! Please Amend.
    Vast amount of reports including this one are mentioning Article 16 of the Magna Carta 1215. It is actually Article 61.
13. Ellis Says:
    March 8th, 2011 at 3:07 pm
    Impressive.
14. egypt Says:
    March 8th, 2011 at 6:20 pm
    The police officers who did not “do their job” should be arrested for “Obstruction of Justice.” There are quite a few faces in that video.
    For one thing — they could have taken all the parties down to the police station for it to be sorted out there…., not just the one making the civilian arrest of the judge.
    I say arrest the perpetrators policemen & let other police be educated and informed in this manner.
    CPS anyone? The moment the judge rules in favor of a case of parents vs child protective services, arrest via citizen’s arrest the perpetrators, right there in court — as soon as the judges decision is made… Believe me, they break all the laws in doing what they do in removing our children to the devil’s own “System.”
    Love, e
15. egypt Says:
    March 8th, 2011 at 6:21 pm
    Good Job Watson !!!
16. JosieWales Says:
    March 8th, 2011 at 7:57 pm
    So, basically this means civilian arrest with lawful just cause means nothing cause the cops let the judge go free.
    Next step, Camp out at the police station for weeks on end OR at the Attorney Generals office (I don’t have clue about UK system, but you know what I mean), Egyptian style, demanding the judges arrest and prosecution.
17. dracula Says:
    March 8th, 2011 at 8:51 pm
    justian law is roman law justice is for just us the status quo
    true justice is by YHWH AND HIS SON
    to be free indeed we have to fight for the right to be free at all times not at some certain point but always for it is time to water the tree of liberty with ours and their blood to stay free always if not we lose every time
18. General Zan Says:
    March 8th, 2011 at 9:16 pm
    So has England finally found its “Plymouth Rock” without having to actually leave their shores? Will WE be looking toward our original Tax Opressors as an example of courage against excessive Taxation? How Ironick…
19. YoureAllSoSputid Says:
    March 8th, 2011 at 9:31 pm
    Dusk said, “Social support is a human right.”
    Please produce the document that exists in this world that lists these “human” rights. Seriously. Please do.
    I absolutely guarantee to you all that if said document exists at all, it exists as part of some governing body. The framers of the US constitution, in their astonishing wisdom, were very precise in describing rights as being “inalienable”. “Inalienable” or “unalienable” rights, also called “natural rights” are being once again mistakenly invoked in an effort to legitimize the concept of taxation by ignorantly throwing out the term “human right”.
    Your argument, Dusk, that you and everyone has a “human” right to social support (nice euphamism, btw) is predicated on some government predicating that I and everyone else equally have a “right” to work to support you.
    Don’t invoke “human right” when discussing social appropiations that are tax supported. Those are “legal” rights.
    Or legal “wrongs”, as is very consistently the case.
    YoureAllSoSputid Reply:
    March 8th, 2011 at 10:19 pm

    LMAO
    I see, article 22 of the (Universal) Declaration of Human Rights, published by the UN.

    The same UN that has had Al-Hajjaji in the key position to investigate “human right” violations by mercenaries. Isn’t it ironic that her mentor, Godawfull, hired who else but mercenaries to murder his – and her own people?

    I cannot believe anyone in this forum would knowingly invoke the UN as THE benevolent grantor of anything “human”, excepting excriment.

    Dragon's Eye Reply:
    March 8th, 2011 at 10:59 pm

    Believe you-me, there ARE a few well-paid, or mentally-inept ( or BOTH-types ) who WOULD!!!

    I have read the UDHR, ICCPR, the CEDAW document, and a whole host of others! The UNITED NATIONS is passed of as a “benevolent dictatorship” in the making. STILL, it is a DICTATORSHIP that we simply DON’T NEED!

    How about all those “exceptions” that activate in times of “unrest” or “revolts”???

    The UN CHARTERS ( ET AL ) have more exemptions than most insurance policies!!!

    Dusk Reply:
    March 9th, 2011 at 4:12 am

    I happen to still believe in humanity.

    I do believe that the Declaration of Human Rights, just like the American constitution and other documents of this ilk (the Magna Carta for instance) are our best hope.

    I am not well-paid or mentally-inept.

    If you take the documents and apply them in the context they are supposed to be used in then you will find them pretty workable.

    Ignore them, twist them for use in certain situations – to suit self interest or otherwise, is to loose most of what is actually constructive in our society.

    The charters are not the human rights. I was making a point above, but shouldn’t have brought social security into it. That was my bad. We were talking about public services Vs. an illegal tax.

    That is all
20. Joe Says:
    March 9th, 2011 at 6:05 am
    I had something interesting pointed out to me today that I never thought about. You know those walls around our capitol beltway and possible up the 95 corridor. Are those really Just noise reduction walls or do they serve a duel purpose of crowd control should the people want to rise up and bring it? Inside the beltway all these walls are up.
21. Joe Says:
    March 9th, 2011 at 6:08 am
    Our governments are meant to PROTECT us not tell US that is WE THE PEOPLE what we can and can’t do, what we can and can’t eat..Look at Michelle Obama you see what she backs she has to turn sideways to get into a narrow doorway.
22. William Morgan Says:
    March 9th, 2011 at 9:25 am
    silly subjects- they’ll still just sheeple subjects of the friggin royals and the banksters just as we’re basically sheeple led by the banksters and CFR/Tri-Lats/Bilderberg. They should be storming Westminster Palace and stripping all the bloodline obsessed royal’s of their mansions and the City of London banks of any and all gold&silver they kept and have a REAL ‘redistribution’ of the wealth! Sell the crown jewels and other heirlooms at world auction and put the money toward building electric cars and organic farms with solar etc. We here of course must dump the Fed and hang all the traitors from David Rockefeller and his puppets Clinton Bush’s and Obama etc. on down to the local Admiralty courts and prosecuters, the IRS office, military and ‘National Guard’ recruiters and police chiefs that’ve all been acting unconstitutionally under the color of law. Arrest them all or else the NWO continues until you’re all enslaved.
    “You can lead the sheeple to the truth but you can’t make them think” (or shivagit)
    The Bleat Goes On
23. HeadBussa Says:
    March 9th, 2011 at 10:48 am
    People! Stock up on handcuffs, because we can detain all these thugs with badges who are gonna try to stop our peaceful revolution.
24. Elm Says:
    March 10th, 2011 at 5:34 am
    Apropos to our times & for Prison Planet readers… The words of Professor Paul Eidelberg, Co-Founder and President of The Foundation for Constitutional Democracy, as well as the Israel America Research Institute. Very pertinent!
    The Paul Eidelberg Report. As heard on Israel National Radio, Israel, March 9, 2011. – “Reflections on the Education of Men Past and Present.” Transcript…..
    Reflections on the Education of Men Past and Present – Professor Eidelberg asks, “Do democracies produce men? To answer this outrageous question I will speak of the 55 gentlemen who signed the American Declaration of Independence – they concluded by affirming a basic concept of Judeo Christian theology – “with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence we mutually pledge to each other our lives our fortunes and our sacred honor – and so they did – they signed the declaration knowing full well death would be the cost if captured – 5 signers were captured as traitors by the British and tortured before they died – 12 had their homes ransacked and burned – 9 of the 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships of the revolutionary war – Now ponder the vocations of these revolutionaries before the war – Their names read like a list of whose who in America – No less than 42 were members of the continental congress which means they were legislators – 24 were lawyers and jurists – 8 were physicians – 8 were merchants – 9 were farmers and large plantation owners and all were well educated. The fathers of some of these revolutionaries were clergyman who like the fathers of other revolutionaries sought the best education for their sons many of who graduated from Harvard, Yale, Princeton etc., where the study of theology was the pathway to a vocation – Strange how little has been written, not only about the influence of this education on the signers of the declaration but how the differences between their education and today’s education may be symptomatic of a silent revolution that has occurred in this country during the last century, an education that has changed the generic character of the regime so much that we can hardly understand the meaning of the declaration anymore – virtually all of its signers were members of orthodox Christian churches – some of their fathers were clergyman – they did not derive their ideas of standards of civility of political order simply from the writings of political philosophers – George Washington’s essay – “rules of civility and decent behavior in company and conversation,” should prompt some scholars to question the accuracy of referring to the declaration as a democratic document – yet when offering their opinions about the political character of the declaration hardly any commentators discuss the aristocratic attitudes of those who signed the document – they prefer to derive the meaning of that American document from foreign soil from the writings of secular political philosophers – although Hebraic studies were a significant part of the college curricula during colonial America the revolutionary significance is ignored by America’s academic elite – colonial America was old testament as well as new testament country which means that the declaration was conceived in a Judeo Christian culture – the declaration is more than a political document – it is a document that requires meta political analysis and this demands attentiveness to the judeo Christian culture in which the founding fathers lived their lives and nurtured their vision of America’s future – this last remark is not to be confused with some theological or historical determinism that has lowered the mentality of countless political scientists and historians – we need to examine the words of the founding father as the words of creative and visionary statesman and not as the words of shallow and narrow politicians preoccupied with the hear and now. We need to bear in mind that the curricula of 18th century colleges with their emphasis on Theology, law, history, mathematics, science, Latin, Greek and Hebrew was an elevating liberal education – one that endowed the founding fathers with a degree of intellectual detachment and an appreciation of greatness absent in the pedestrian cynical education of our present age of “triumphant democracy.” Several of these founding fathers may justly be called philosophic statesman – they sought to apply philosophic ideas to action, a task that required practical wisdom and political creativity – only by thinking of them as creative statesman and not merely as mimics of foreign ideas can we appreciate their political vision and thus make sense of American exceptionalism – although Alexander Hamilton was not a signer of the declaration he was in effect Washington’s chief of staff during the War of Independence and had four horses shot from under him – when Hamilton became Secretary of State in Washington’s government he remained Washington’s closest advisor even in foreign affairs – to gain some appreciation of the character of this man let me quote from a memorandum he wrote to Washington – The issue was whether the US should remain neutral in the conflict between France and England. Those who favored France referred to the French revolution as comparable to the American Revolution – at struggle for liberty – Here is what Hamilton said –
    “…The cause of France is compared with that of America during its late revolution.
    Would to heaven that the comparison was just! Would to heaven that we could discern in the mirror of French affairs the same humanity, the same decorum, the same gravity the same order, the same dignity, the same solemnity which distinguished the course of the American revolution – clouds and darkness would not then rest upon the issue as they do now – I do not like the comparison – when I contemplate the horrid and systematic massacres – when I observe a Marat and a Robespierre – the notorious prompters of those bloody scenes sit triumphantly in the convention when I see the sword of fanaticism, passion tumult and violence usurping those seats where reason and cool deliberation ought to reside, I acknowledge that I am glad to believe there is no real resemblance between what was the cause of America and what is the cause of France – that the difference is no less great than the difference between liberty and licentiousness.”
    Can you imagine any democratic politician today describing the behavior of revolutionaries or Arab despots as lacking decorum, dignity and solemnity? Do democratic politicians use the word evil to describe Islamic regimes? When President Ronald Reagan described the Soviet Union as the evil empire he was mocked by Europeans, as was President George Bush when he referred to certain terrorist states as an axis of evil.
    It seems Barak Obama would choke saying the word evil. He chokes saying the word terrorism. But this inability to speak of terrorists as evil is commonplace in Israel whose prime ministers have hobnobbed with Yassar Arafat – can you imagine a Hamilton groveling to negotiate with a thug like Mahmoud Abbas? But this shamelessness is fostered by political scientists who propagate the idea of conflict resolution regardless of the evil nature of one of the parties to the conflict. Can you imagine a “nice lady” like Hillary Clinton negotiating with the likes of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad? What’s the Bottom line? It’s nothing less than the low level of higher education in the democratic world – It’s hard to say – whether Barack Obama is ignorant or stupid when evaluating his utterances and behavior vis-à-vis the upheavals now going on in the Muslim world – Probably both – But this is a commentary not only on Obama’s personal character, but also on the universities he attended – But then what are we to say of Netanyahu’s pleading with Abbas to negotiate with him? – should those who voted for him or his Likud Party blush in shame – I will go even further – what is the sense of brilliant political analysis about the middle east when the actors involved are thugs and scoundrels – to engage in this political analysis year after year despite no change whatever in the character of the regimes that produce such thugs and such scoundrels – Einstein would say this is symptomatic of insanity. But this insanity is conspicuous in democracies – Can it be that just as despotic regimes produce despots democratic regimes produce madmen? I do believe so, and I think that madness is prevalent in Israel – I don’t think it’s merely Israel’s dependence on American arms that induces one Prime Minister after another to negotiate with the likes of Arafat – Yes, you may call them spineless but I think we have a democratic syndrome here, and however normal these Prime Ministers may seem, I think they are trapped in the insanity of democracy – I think this is inevitable so long a democracy is steeped in egalitarianism which leads to moral equivalency which fosters the main idea of conflict resolution between democratic and despotic regimes – The inability to speak of any regime as evil is the consequence of the cultural relativism widespread in the universities of the democratic world, but this is symptomatic of insanity. Why? Because as Nietzsche said Man is the esteeming animal – or the beast that blushes – Esteeming and blushing are conspicuous by their absence in democracies steeped in moral equivalency. Democracies produce only the ghosts of men.”
    Caller’s Question:
    “How is it that a contemporary American who isn’t steeped in the ethos and ideas that drove the founding fathers how is he going to have the manly vigor required to pursue American values in the modern world?”
    “…If I understand you correctly – let me put it this way – you all know about Glen Beck?
    Glen Beck’s agenda is to restore the American heritage – which is primarily a Judeo Christian heritage and he must be aware of that – now – I have with the help of colleagues here in Israel as well as in Philadelphia – we have established an organization called – the Israel America Renaissance Institute and we are producing papers and we have books on the subject which will reveal not only the internal enemy that we have in Israel and in America but the external enemy and what we must do to overcome these evils and that will require, of course, fundamental change in the character of our educational institutions as well as fundamental changes even in our institutions, especially Israel’s political system. We have to bear in mind that we don’t get just bad prime ministers or weak prime ministers (or dictatorial presidents) just because of some accident of personality.
    There is something about the very nature of Israel’s political system that produces weak prime ministers and I have shown this in books and in countless articles. I will give you one little example. We always deplore the fact that let’s say a party like the Likud campaigns on the right as nationalists and when they get into power they shift over to the left. Now what allows them to do that? – What allows them to do that, in other words, to betray their voters, is that they are not accountable to the voters in the next election, precisely because the people of Israel are compelled to vote for a party slate and that means that members of the Knesset are not individually accountable to the voters – In other words – the very corruption in the public that we find, the public corruption here, in Israel, is a result of the system of government we have. In America we have comparable defects – The example of extended terms of office and the Heritage Foundation like our own organization advocate term limits to prevent this. You know you get a (Shimon) Peres whose in the (Israeli) Knesset for 50 years without running a competition in any election – We also have that sort of thing in America maybe not for 50 years – but a heck of a long time which undermines the very nature of democratic government – so we have a big job ahead of us the fundamental things – two things, Education – that means long term process – not a quick fix. We need to make some immediate changes especially in Israel and we have to also make some changes in America.”
    Second Caller’s Question:
    Do you think that part of the problem that Americans and Israelis face is their own success? Do you think that part of the problem is that Americans and Israelis live in a very materially prosperous culture one that serves them very well at least in the physical sense and they haven’t had a crucible that the founding fathers went through that convinced them of the change they needed to make.
    Prof Eidelberg’s Response:
    “Well, what you say has some truth in it because its obvious that there’s a great deal of apathy or lack of public spiritedness when we consider what’s going in America – We have a revolution that has occurred in America – It didn’t start with Obama but it certainly became obvious with Obama because what you have is an absolutely unlimited government – What you have is a nanny state. What is happening – the Boston Tea Party is not really a Boston Tea Party, what you have is just a group of people who want to restore the heritage of the U.S., but it is hardly a political force. However, We have to bear this in mind – It’s true that, of course, commodious living can very easily undermine public spiritedness – but the American founding fathers had plenty problems – they lived under very dire conditions and that didn’t prevent them from being revolutionaries. That’s the thing that has to be borne in mind, that’s the thing that I’m trying to emphasize. I’m writing a book on the subject. The American founding fathers were not just democrats, their temperaments were not only Judeo Christian, but aristocratic. You don’t see that when you read the declaration, you see that declaration of independence, all men were created equal, believe me, that is not the proper understanding of the declaration of independence. That phrase all men are created equal comes from Genesis 1:26, that man is created in the Image of God and man being created in the Image of God doesn’t make everybody equal in their rational and volitional faculties. The American Declaration of Independence has been completely misunderstood, utterly democratized by democratic political scientists and historians. So what we have to do is to restore the original meaning, the original intentions of America’s founding fathers in the United States to show the American people that they have been betrayed by their educators and by their lawmakers. So we have a revolutionary program that needs to be implemented.”
    About Professor Paul Eidelberg -
    Prof. Eidelberg served in the United States Air Force where he held the rank of first lieutenant. He received his doctoral degree at the University of Chicago. While at the university, he designed the first brain scanner for the Argonne Cancer Research Hospital. Before making aliya (immigrating to Israel) in 1976, Prof. Eidelberg wrote a trilogy on America’s founding fathers: The Philosophy of the American Constitution, On the Silence of the Declaration of Independence, and A Discourse on Statesmanship. In 1976 he joined the faculty of Bar-Ilan University. Prof. Eidelberg has lectured before Israel’s Foreign Office and has written policy papers for various Knesset members. He is on the Editorial Board of Israel’s premier journal Nativ, as well as on the Advisory Council of the Ariel Center for Policy Research. He has written more than 1,000 articles for newspapers and scholarly journals in the United States and Israel. During the past five years, Prof. Eidelberg has been conducting seminars on constitutions, diverse parliamentary electoral systems, Jewish law, and related topics at the Jerusalem center of the Foundation for Constitutional Democracy.
25. Tiwaz Says:
    March 11th, 2011 at 11:11 am
    We have to WAKE-UP & remember, Politicians r accountable to us. Unless we make them Accountable we become soulless Robots. ENTERTAINMENT Corporations have now “Spiritually” Colonized our Minds so it is not enough to arrest Politicians, we must FIRST start arresting Media CEO & Shareholders. Whoever controls our IMAGES & WORDS controls our THOUGHTS, whoever controls our Thoughts control our ACTIONS.

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